The Cult Of Saturn

[gemiwine]

This video exposes the truth about Saturn who is Satan in all religions if your familiar with astrology, astronomy, freemasonry & the occult that are all in connection with the planets that were worshipped as Gods & Goddesses on hieroglyphics, sculptures, statues & idols way before we had the technology to see these planets.

It also exposes the mark & the symbolism behind it all.

Cult - a group having a SACRED IDEOLOGY and a set of rites centering around their SACRED SYMBOLS

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ITzDHXiS86g

[1313Jr.1313]

lol, back to the same garbage as always eh? if only you could teach an old dog new tricks.

[gemiwine]

lol, back to the same garbage as always eh? if only you could teach an old dog new tricks.Why don't you explain what's garbage about history? Shall I discuss a favorable subject that meets your interest? What do you suggest?

[footfetishguy]

Why don't you explain what's garbage about history? Shall I discuss a favorable subject that meets your interest? What do you suggest?
Discuss 2012

[FartLove88]

Gah !!!

[1313Jr.1313]

Why don't you explain what's garbage about history? Shall I discuss a favorable subject that meets your interest? What do you suggest?

this suffers from the exact same flaws as every other video you have posted. i have already explained to you why arguing from a fallacious standpoint does not work and you seem to be unable to comprehend it. it really does not get simpler than that and you continue to baffle me with your inability to comprehend how this works. if i were to use a meme here i know exactly which one i'd use.

[gemiwine]

this suffers from the exact same flaws as every other video you have posted. i have already explained to you why arguing from a fallacious standpoint does not work and you seem to be unable to comprehend it. it really does not get simpler than that and you continue to baffle me with your inability to comprehend how this works. if i were to use a meme here i know exactly which one i'd use.
What are the flaws about this video you speak of? You are the one arguing with me about fallacy. How am I baffling you if you're responding to my post with derogation after no mention of you? If you know your right & I'm wrong then why don't you leave it at that?

[gemiwine]

Discuss 2012"2012 end of the world" How is that? lol

[1313Jr.1313]

What are the flaws about this video you speak of? You are the one arguing with me about fallacy. How am I baffling you if you're responding to my post with derogation after no mention of you? If you know your right & I'm wrong then why don't you leave it at that?

because there are other people as dumb as you who will actually believe what you are posting if nobody else points out just how idiotic it is.

and the flaws i speak of? i believe i already covered that.

this suffers from the exact same flaws as every other video you have posted. i have already explained to you why arguing from a fallacious standpoint does not work and you seem to be unable to comprehend it. it really does not get simpler than that and you continue to baffle me with your inability to comprehend how this works. if i were to use a meme here i know exactly which one i'd use.

wowza... responding to a post you clearly have not read. you are falling for the same fallacy as you did before and it would seem you never even learned from your mistake.

speculation is not proof and the videos you keep posting are nothing but speculation with no proof that you're passing off as fact.
http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=af07

[sourmold11]

What are the flaws about this video you speak of? You are the one arguing with me about fallacy. How am I baffling you if you're responding to my post with derogation after no mention of you? If you know your right & I'm wrong then why don't you leave it at that?

+1

[gemiwine]

because there are other people as dumb as you who will actually believe what you are posting if nobody else points out just how idiotic it is.

and the flaws i speak of? i believe i already covered that.


wowza... responding to a post you clearly have not read. you are falling for the same fallacy as you did before and it would seem you never even learned from your mistake.

speculation is not proof and the videos you keep posting are nothing but speculation with no proof that you're passing off as fact.
http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=af07So your saying Saturn is not a word nor does it have meaning? Also the video that explains the origins of Saturn aren't true & I'm a idiotic person who should listen to you because you're smarter than me?

[1313Jr.1313]

So your saying Saturn is not a word nor does it have meaning? Also the video that explains the origins of Saturn aren't true & I'm a idiotic person who should listen to you because you're smarter than me?

why bother quoting it if you're going to ignore it?

[gemiwine]

why bother quoting it if you're going to ignore it?What am I ignoring again?

[1313Jr.1313]

What am I ignoring again?

the post you quoted... pretty sure it was obvious.

[gemiwine]

the post you quoted... pretty sure it was obvious.What is untrue about the video?

[Mudofale]

What is untrue about the video?

Ill say it for him, you are an idiot who can not take a hint to save his life. Your "links" hardly ever have anything to do with the topic you are talking about so I just stopped clicking on them, you lost your validity a long time ago. Also, a video made by some random person with no credibility is the same thing as a 4 year old drawing chicken scratch on a rock and saying it was done by an alien. Also for some reason you want people to know the "truth" but if everyone went around like you, acting like you, searching like you, the internet would be void of porn and filled with massive amounts of websites dedicated to "theories" and "Cover ups" when in fact 90% of these are just theories. I can connect as many dots as I want, but until I have solid evidence something is true it is a theory and no more. Satan is real because people worshiped him? People worshiped a giant turtle that pulled the earth out of the water on it's back and created the planet, are you telling me that is true? Every part of the story lined up, ravens being black, turtles being slow, strong, and wise. Can you prove that it isn't true? People believe in gods and myths for the simple reason of belief, a world without beliefs is a non-existent world for human beings. We need something to look forward to to keep going. If I told you your life was meaning less, no matter what you did you were going to die and it wouldn't have even the slightest impact on anyone or anything and when you were dead there was no after life, just emptiness, would you continue? No, because you have faith in something or someone. Just like everyone else in the world. Where is my proof you ask? I have none, I assumed we didn't need to bring proof because of the fact that we're all just spouting off nonsense.

[gemiwine]

Ill say it for him, you are an idiot who can not take a hint to save his life. Your "links" hardly ever have anything to do with the topic you are talking about so I just stopped clicking on them, you lost your validity a long time ago. Also, a video made by some random person with no credibility is the same thing as a 4 year old drawing chicken scratch on a rock and saying it was done by an alien. Also for some reason you want people to know the "truth" but if everyone went around like you, acting like you, searching like you, the internet would be void of porn and filled with massive amounts of websites dedicated to "theories" and "Cover ups" when in fact 90% of these are just theories. I can connect as many dots as I want, but until I have solid evidence something is true it is a theory and no more. Satan is real because people worshiped him? People worshiped a giant turtle that pulled the earth out of the water on it's back and created the planet, are you telling me that is true? Every part of the story lined up, ravens being black, turtles being slow, strong, and wise. Can you prove that it isn't true? People believe in gods and myths for the simple reason of belief, a world without beliefs is a non-existent world for human beings. We need something to look forward to to keep going. If I told you your life was meaning less, no matter what you did you were going to die and it wouldn't have even the slightest impact on anyone or anything and when you were dead there was no after life, just emptiness, would you continue? No, because you have faith in something or someone. Just like everyone else in the world. Where is my proof you ask? I have none, I assumed we didn't need to bring proof because of the fact that we're all just spouting off nonsense.The Chevron symbol is a cube which is Saturn the Roman God of agriculture from the hexagram symbol is it not?

[Mudofale]

The cheveron symbol is a cube which is Saturn from the hexagram symbol is it not? Can you prove that the Rockefellas don't own Standard Oil?

Yet again had nothing to do with what I said, and why is it so hard for you to stay on topic? Its one thing to make an example that is off topic but it's another thing to completely change the topic. Are we talking about Oil or are we talking about Satan? Or are you saying that John D. Rockefeller is Satan himself? Because i'm pretty sure satan wouldn't give most of his fortune away to charities and the community.

First of all Rockefeller was part owner of Standard oil, his family has roots in it, so if we are going off techniqualities (unless he sold it to someone) then yes, he does own a part of Standard oil. Now I am completely lost as to what point you are trying to make...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standard_Oil

http://www.us-highways.com/sohist.htm

http://www.linfo.org/standardoil.html

Enjoy

[gemiwine]

Yet again had nothing to do with what I said, and why is it so hard for you to stay on topic? Its one thing to make an example that is off topic but it's another thing to completely change the topic. Are we talking about Oil or are we talking about Satan? Or are you saying that John D. Rockefeller is Satan himself? Because i'm pretty sure satan wouldn't give most of his fortune away to charities and the community.

First of all Rockefeller was part owner of Standard oil, his family has roots in it, so if we are going off techniqualities (unless he sold it to someone) then yes, he does own a part of Standard oil. Now I am completely lost as to what point you are trying to make...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standard_Oil

http://www.us-highways.com/sohist.htm

http://www.linfo.org/standardoil.html

EnjoyChevron is owned by Standard Oil so I'm still on topic about Saturn. I'm not calling Rockefella Satan. Do you see it not that the Chevron symbol is a cube that symbolism Saturn?

[gemiwine]

Satanism in hip hop encore edition pt 36

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Mz8QNMB8DI

[footfetishguy]

Really?

[gemiwine]

Really?Hard to believe right? Lol

[Mudofale]

Really?

Honestly I think he just might be a troll, there is no way someone could be this stupid without doing it on purpose.

[Mudofale]

Chevron is owned by Standard Oil so I'm still on topic about Saturn. I'm not calling Rockefella Satan. Do you see it not that the Chevron symbol is a cube that symbolism Saturn?

http://www.valentinecapitalevents.com/images/chevron/chevron.jpg

Please tell me, what is so "Satanic" about that? Getting pretty bored with your antics, they are mild attemps to stir up some sort of swoo for people to fall into that whole "2012 end of the world" bull shit that everyone believes. All honesty, I hope the world does end in December so I don't have to deal with this bull shit theory crafting about witches, demons, spirits, angels, and god.

[1313Jr.1313]

Chevron is owned by Standard Oil so I'm still on topic about Saturn. I'm not calling Rockefella Satan. Do you see it not that the Chevron symbol is a cube that symbolism Saturn?

lol, you ever notice that there are never any "symbols" that are unappealing to look at? good or evil... there are only so many shapes one can conveniently make that are universally appealing. shapes that happen to share similarities is hardly a conspiracy. cats can be white. dogs can be black. therefore that video is wrong. same logic the video uses. agree with it and the video is wrong and if you disagree with that series of statements then you admit the logic behind the video is wrong which would make the video wrong. when something can't be right, it's wrong.

[gemiwine]

http://www.valentinecapitalevents.com/images/chevron/chevron.jpg

Please tell me, what is so "Satanic" about that? Getting pretty bored with your antics, they are mild attemps to stir up some sort of swoo for people to fall into that whole "2012 end of the world" bull shit that everyone believes. All honesty, I hope the world does end in December so I don't have to deal with this bull shit theory crafting about witches, demons, spirits, angels, and god.I never mentioned anything about the world ending. The symbol is a cube that represents their God Saturn whom they worship. If you think different I like to hear your take on why you think its untrue.

[gemiwine]

lol, you ever notice that there are never any "symbols" that are unappealing to look at? good or evil... there are only so many shapes one can conveniently make that are universally appealing. shapes that happen to share similarities is hardly a conspiracy. cats can be white. dogs can be black. therefore that video is wrong. same logic the video uses. agree with it and the video is wrong and if you disagree with that series of statements then you admit the logic behind the video is wrong which would make the video wrong. when something can't be right, it's wrong.Symbolism dates back to ancient Egypt & Babylon where they used objects & shapes to represent their religion & gods & goddesses. The common circle, square, rectangle & other common shapes & figures we learn in school all have a occult meaning behind it from its origins. They also used it to gain a source of spiritual & physical power that keeps them in a illusion thqat the can be like Gods. This is not my idea nor theory. This is what they in fact did & still do to this day if you are knowledgable on history & do some research.

[furbytool]

I stopped reading a page and a half ago, and although I usually agree with 1313Jr.1313 but I can't for the life of me understand what gemiwine and you are trying to prove. Either one of you could not agree with each other on anything in this discussion, never mind debate. Such harsh words were exchanged like "Idiot" and "Dumbshit" ect. Clearly both of you have an education or a thesaurus. I can see that you both don't enjoy losing an argument same with Mudofale the reliable side kick. I'm probably gonna sign out and ill get bashed but I check this the forum like once a week. Take this life lesson and learn to disagree in moderation. Thankyou for your time.

[gemiwine]

I stopped reading a page and a half ago, and although I usually agree with 1313Jr.1313 but I can't for the life of me understand what gemiwine and you are trying to prove. Either one of you could not agree with each other on anything in this discussion, never mind debate. Such harsh words were exchanged like "Idiot" and "Dumbshit" ect. Clearly both of you have an education or a thesaurus. I can see that you both don't enjoy losing an argument same with Mudofale the reliable side kick. I'm probably gonna sign out and ill get bashed but I check this the forum like once a week. Take this life lesson and learn to disagree in moderation. Thankyou for your time.Its all good bro. I simply wanted to share this video although some may be in disagreement with me. I'm not trying to prove anything. I encourage anyone to do their own research to see what they come up with.

[splat]

This bullshit is really just that. This can be done with literally everything. Your computer is a cube, is it not? SATURN. Your car is a series of cubes. Obviously saturnic influence. The number of fingers per hand not counting your thumb is four, as are your limbs not counting your head. Four is a square, and a rotated square is a cube. YOU are Saturn! If you include thumbs and heads, then it's five which is a pentragram. SATAN! Which can be rearranged to make SANTA!

The truth is, clearly, that YOU, Gemwine, are a fat, jolly deliverer of gifts who operates on yuletime, and who resides on a gaseous planet created by a roman god, and do so in the name of the devil. I've connected the dots, have I not? Now prove me wrong.

In all seriousness, I believe in Saturn as a reference the ancients made. It refers to corruption and rot. But these are essential- Only by dying does one exalt itself and travel through the seven rings to the Sun. Satun is the starting point, Nigredo, the lead to be transformed to gold, metaphorically speaking. But to take this concept and try to apply it to the stupidly mundane for arbitrary reasons is foolish.

Read the book Foucault's Pendulum.

[1313Jr.1313]

I stopped reading a page and a half ago, and although I usually agree with 1313Jr.1313 but I can't for the life of me understand what gemiwine and you are trying to prove. Either one of you could not agree with each other on anything in this discussion, never mind debate. Such harsh words were exchanged like "Idiot" and "Dumbshit" ect. Clearly both of you have an education or a thesaurus. I can see that you both don't enjoy losing an argument same with Mudofale the reliable side kick. I'm probably gonna sign out and ill get bashed but I check this the forum like once a week. Take this life lesson and learn to disagree in moderation. Thankyou for your time.

lol, it's a fart fetish forum. nobody is expecting you to follow every thread like a hawk. you're here to enjoy yourself and if you don't care for this stuff then there's a thousand other threads, lol. nobody'll be on you for not following every thread ::great

[1313Jr.1313]

This bullshit is really just that. This can be done with literally everything. Your computer is a cube, is it not? SATURN. Your car is a series of cubes. Obviously saturnic influence. The number of fingers per hand not counting your thumb is four, as are your limbs not counting your head. Four is a square, and a rotated square is a cube. YOU are Saturn! If you include thumbs and heads, then it's five which is a pentragram. SATAN! Which can be rearranged to make SANTA!

The truth is, clearly, that YOU, Gemwine, are a fat, jolly deliverer of gifts who operates on yuletime, and who resides on a gaseous planet created by a roman god, and do so in the name of the devil. I've connected the dots, have I not? Now prove me wrong.

In all seriousness, I believe in Saturn as a reference the ancients made. It refers to corruption and rot. But these are essential- Only by dying does one exalt itself and travel through the seven rings to the Sun. Satun is the starting point, Nigredo, the lead to be transformed to gold, metaphorically speaking. But to take this concept and try to apply it to the stupidly mundane for arbitrary reasons is foolish.

Read the book Foucault's Pendulum.

this...

and gemi, you're ignoring the post you quoted again.

[Mudofale]

I never mentioned anything about the world ending. The symbol is a cube that represents their God Saturn whom they worship. If you think different I like to hear your take on why you think its untrue.

I have, multiple times. But you wouldn't know what they were because you only read the first line.

[gemiwine]

This bullshit is really just that. This can be done with literally everything. Your computer is a cube, is it not? SATURN. Your car is a series of cubes. Obviously saturnic influence. The number of fingers per hand not counting your thumb is four, as are your limbs not counting your head. Four is a square, and a rotated square is a cube. YOU are Saturn! If you include thumbs and heads, then it's five which is a pentragram. SATAN! Which can be rearranged to make SANTA!

The truth is, clearly, that YOU, Gemwine, are a fat, jolly deliverer of gifts who operates on yuletime, and who resides on a gaseous planet created by a roman god, and do so in the name of the devil. I've connected the dots, have I not? Now prove me wrong.

In all seriousness, I believe in Saturn as a reference the ancients made. It refers to corruption and rot. But these are essential- Only by dying does one exalt itself and travel through the seven rings to the Sun. Satun is the starting point, Nigredo, the lead to be transformed to gold, metaphorically speaking. But to take this concept and try to apply it to the stupidly mundane for arbitrary reasons is foolish.

Read the book Foucault's Pendulum. What is your point regarding the "bullshit"? Saturn is the god of agriculture so I can't deny that science, computers & cars are Saturnic influence as reference to the designs & measurements of them like the cubic inch as a measure of the displacement of an automotive engine. A cube is a solid with 6 equal squares. So I can't be Saturn because Saturn is not a human but one of many deities of the polytheistic religion. Santa is just a modern day figure that represents the Saturnalia of the the winter solstice which is known today as Christmas.

I don't know if your last paragragh is refering to me or not but I'm not applying the Saturn concept into the mundane for my own individual will. It has already been applied to the world by religion & science centuries ago. I'm sure the royal society Leon joined had these same beliefs about Saturn since their society solely operates in science.

[gemiwine]

I have, multiple times. But you wouldn't know what they were because you only read the first line.Its hard to understand if you attack the speaker of the subject rather than the subject itself. Did you even watch the whole vid & do some of your own research before you responded? I can tell you didn't otherwise I would understand your argument.

[splat]

I'm applying saturn in the same way you are- To literally everything. Rather, to anything convenient to me at the time.

So ANYTHING involving agriculture or science is saturn? Then again, humans invented those things. Since you are human, you must be saturn. THIS is how your application method works. And no, Santa must have been around longer than that, that's why it sounds so much like Satan. Another logical fallacy that I am applying at will. The other stuff you said must simply be saturnic lies. You still haven't proven me wrong, since I say you're lying.

THIS is your methodology. Do you see where it fails now? Probably not, but it's worth a shot at least.

[gemiwine]

I'm applying saturn in the same way you are- To literally everything. Rather, to anything convenient to me at the time.

So ANYTHING involving agriculture or science is saturn? Then again, humans invented those things. Since you are human, you must be saturn. THIS is how your application method works. And no, Santa must have been around longer than that, that's why it sounds so much like Satan. Another logical fallacy that I am applying at will. The other stuff you said must simply be saturnic lies. You still haven't proven me wrong, since I say you're lying.

THIS is your methodology. Do you see where it fails now? Probably not, but it's worth a shot at least. Agriculture is science that came from the knowedge of good & evil or the occult such as astrology. Its impossible for me to be Satan a fallen angel with many names like Saturn. The word Santa has been around since the late 1700s to represent Saint Nicholas of the 1400s but to some who are unaware of, represent Saturnalia or the festival of Saturn on Dec 17-24. I didn't make none of this up aside from what I already researched about Saturn. I'm sure if you investigate into my Saturnic lies you can prove me wrong.

I don't get how I'm setting a system of methods of principles & rules for defining Saturn.

[gemiwine]

Chiun, Remphan, Baal & Moloch are all Saturn.
Acts 7:43
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remphan
Amos 5:26
http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/4345-chiun

The tabarnacle of moloch is the worship of Saturn through sacrificing children.
2 Kings 23:10, Jer 32:35
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moloch#section_4

Baal of Carthage
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ba%CA%BFal#section_2
2 Kings 10:19, Psalm 106:28, Jer 19:5

[splat]

No it's not impossible. Satan has lived since the dawn of time, right? So could he not pretend to be an idiot on a fart fetish forum? Since you can't prove that he could not, then he must be, or so your arguments claim.

Saint Nicholas has been around since Satan. That's why the names sound so similar. One letter difference? Santa is as old as Satan, who is you, who lives on a planet several hundred million years old. Since you haven't proven me wrong, I am right. amirite?

Because YOU are the one defining them in your own mind, idiot. These are YOUR claims. That others have claimed them in the past is irrelevant. You CHOOSE to accept them and force them to co-mingle in ways they do not.

[gemiwine]

No it's not impossible. Satan has lived since the dawn of time, right? So could he not pretend to be an idiot on a fart fetish forum? Since you can't prove that he could not, then he must be, or so your arguments claim.

Saint Nicholas has been around since Satan. That's why the names sound so similar. One letter difference? Santa is as old as Satan, who is you, who lives on a planet several hundred million years old. Since you haven't proven me wrong, I am right. amirite?

Because YOU are the one defining them in your own mind, idiot. These are YOUR claims. That others have claimed them in the past is irrelevant. You CHOOSE to accept them and force them to co-mingle in ways they do not. So I'm Satan born in the 80s on a fart fetish forum makin up the vocabulary, history & definitions of Saturn? How can I be Saturn if he's been around longer than me? Is this your proof of why I'm wrong through denigration & calumniation? Is this your only method of tactic to disaprove me since you lack in delving?

[Mudofale]

So I'm Satan born in the 80s on a fart fetish forum makin up the vocabulary, history & definitions of Saturn? How can I be Saturn if he's been around longer than me? Is this your proof of why I'm wrong through denigration & calumniation? Is this your only method of tactic to disaprove me since you lack in delving?

Stat facts with no proof once again, you haven't proved to us you aren't Saturn, or Santa, so you must be Santa or Satan. Provide us with your birth certificate, and proof of residencey and we will drop the claims, otherwise you are and shall forever be the dark lord.

[splat]

Proof of residence can be faked. That's why Obama is president. He's obviously a freemason from Egypt, and 10,000 years old. He used to be called Comte De Saint Germaine.

I saw a picture of him wearing a black suit. If that's not a reference to the Black Land of Khem, or ancient Egypt, I don't know what is.

And Gemwine, my point is to troll you using your own faulty methods. Give you a taste of your own stupidity. Think I sound stupid? This is what you sound like. This is how you talk. This is your method. Does it not work? There ya go. Think better.

[gemiwine]

Stat facts with no proof once again, you haven't proved to us you aren't Saturn, or Santa, so you must be Santa or Satan. Provide us with your birth certificate, and proof of residencey and we will drop the claims, otherwise you are and shall forever be the dark lord.LOL You still wouldn't believe me regardless.

[gemiwine]

Proof of residence can be faked. That's why Obama is president. He's obviously a freemason from Egypt, and 10,000 years old. He used to be called Comte De Saint Germaine.

I saw a picture of him wearing a black suit. If that's not a reference to the Black Land of Khem, or ancient Egypt, I don't know what is.

And Gemwine, my point is to troll you using your own faulty methods. Give you a taste of your own stupidity. Think I sound stupid? This is what you sound like. This is how you talk. This is your method. Does it not work? There ya go. Think better.I don't see any point of your trolling. I guess this is your excuse of a stratagem when you can't address my "faulty methods" & prove why they are at fault. So far your responses are pretentious & not only off topic but making your artifice poor in lacking.

[splat]

I don't see any point of your trolling. I guess this is your excuse of a stratagem when you can't address my "faulty methods" & prove why they are at fault. So far your responses are pretentious & not only off topic but making your artifice poor in lacking.

I don't see any point of your trolling. I guess this is your excuse of a stratagem when you can't address my "faulty methods" & prove why they are at fault. So far your responses are pretentious & not only off topic but making your artifice poor in lacking

[gemiwine]

I understand your point splat. We cool?

[1313Jr.1313]

I understand your point splat. We cool?

i guess it's about time you understand something so simple. i knew we could get through to you ::great

[gemiwine]

13 would you call yourself an agnostic since your not an atheist?

[Mudofale]

13 would you call yourself an agnostic since your not an atheist?

And the cycle continues, you just love to stir things up don't you?

[gemiwine]

And the cycle continues, you just love to stir things up don't you?
And the cycle continues, you just love to stir things up don't you?

[1313Jr.1313]

13 would you call yourself an agnostic since your not an atheist?

i have already said that i believe in god. that would make me NOT an agnostic OR atheist... this is just proof you haven't been reading.

[gemiwine]

i have already said that i believe in god. that would make me NOT an agnostic OR atheist... this is just proof you haven't been reading.Agnostics believe in God. They just don't believe in the bible or believe that there's enough proof of His existense. That's why I asked if you're an agnostic.

[Mudofale]

And the cycle continues, you just love to stir things up don't you?

Showing your true colors finally, I guess splat is finally breaking through to you.

[splat]

Also, no. Agnostics do not believe in God. They claim to not know if there is a God. You should know this, if you are as studious as you claim.

The term comes from Gnosis, to know. Agnosis would be to "not know". So Agnostic is one who claims not to know. Not one who believes in a non-Jesus God.

[1313Jr.1313]

Agnostics believe in God. They just don't believe in the bible or believe that there's enough proof of His existense. That's why I asked if you're an agnostic.

what splat said...

also, http://unrealitymag.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/pokemon-facts.jpg

[gemiwine]

what splat said...

also, http://unrealitymag.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/pokemon-facts.jpgI had it confused with deism. They believe in God but don't believe in the revelation or prophecy revealed in the bible.

I clicked on the link but what is it questioning about the pocket monsters?

[gemiwine]

Showing your true colors finally, I guess splat is finally breaking through to you.I don't know what you mean about "true colors" I'm showing. I still didn't understand Splats point. I just played along with his game.

[splat]

No, you are wrong again. You must listen to a lot of Christian hate speak on the radio. Deism is any belief in any God. What you are thinking of is Paganism, which is a blanket term for any belief in a non-Abrahamic God.

And really? You don't understand that I was emulating your methods? To speak more simply, I was copying your thought process. I copied you. So when you lashed out at me, you lashed out at yourself. You argued against your own process. To drive this point home, I copied your lashing out verbatim to instill the fact that even YOU believe that your methods fail.

[1313Jr.1313]

No, you are wrong again. You must listen to a lot of Christian hate speak on the radio. Deism is any belief in any God. What you are thinking of is Paganism, which is a blanket term for any belief in a non-Abrahamic God.

And really? You don't understand that I was emulating your methods? To speak more simply, I was copying your thought process. I copied you. So when you lashed out at me, you lashed out at yourself. You argued against your own process. To drive this point home, I copied your lashing out verbatim to instill the fact that even YOU believe that your methods fail.

lol, he doesn't understand it when i do it either.

[Mudofale]

He reminds of this time I was in the car changing the radio station and heard some Christian talk radio. The guy said that evolution is impossible because if you put an airplane in a field and left it there for a billion years it wouldn't evolve, so why would humans evolve for the course of time? I face palmed so hard...

[effingbillgates]

This gemiwine character is either trolling you guys and laughing himself to sleep for wasting your time, or is a completely lost cause.

What can be rewarding about arguing with somebody who's always wrong? I don't really see the point. He doesn't even recognise that he's lost every single argument he's started so why do you keep going?

[Mudofale]

This gemiwine character is either trolling you guys and laughing himself to sleep for wasting your time, or is a completely lost cause.

What can be rewarding about arguing with somebody who's always wrong? I don't really see the point. He doesn't even recognise that he's lost every single argument he's started so why do you keep going?

It entertains us. I get a kick out of reading his post because when you actually think about what he said it baffles you at how he came up with it and/or believed that it is feasible. Gets frustrating when he doesn't even try though. You should have seen the other thread he started, the stuff he was saying... it would have made any scientist/physicist cry at the proofs he was using to state that Aliens were really just fallen angels.

[gemiwine]

It entertains us. I get a kick out of reading his post because when you actually think about what he said it baffles you at how he came up with it and/or believed that it is feasible. Gets frustrating when he doesn't even try though. You should have seen the other thread he started, the stuff he was saying... it would have made any scientist/physicist cry at the proofs he was using to state that Aliens were really just fallen angels.Mudo if aliens according to scientist & physicist are extraterrestial beings would they be considered celestial?

[splat]

No. Celestial is "of the stars", not "of another planet". Also, since we would be aliens to the aliens, doesn't that make us automatically celestial since WE are also in space?

[gemiwine]

Stars are planets or heavenly bodies. So if extraterrestrials are outside the limits of the earth. There's no question that they are celestial beings or fallen angels since fallen angels are also demons or daemons which are defined as of a divine nature often discovered through divination, makes them celestial, seraphic or angelic.

[splat]

The Earth is a body in the heavens. Meaning, we must be demons.

[gemiwine]

We are made from the dirt of the earth, not in the heavens so we can't be fallen angels.

[Mudofale]

We are made from the dirt of the earth, not in the heavens so we can't be fallen angels.

You are making zero sense, how can a planet be a star? Do you know what a star is? You can't see a planet with the naked eye (usually) for a reason. Also, what makes earth such a holy ground? Last time I checked we had more evil then any other planet in this solar system (to our knowledge), so aren't we all demons then? The flaw with your argument is the simple fact that you keep saying that aliens are demons or fallens angels (whatever you want to call them) but where did these demons or fallen angels, floating around in space, come from? Do you realize how vast our solar system is? Do you realize how large the universe is? For you to even see a "heavenly body" you have to wait thousands sometimes millions of years for the light to reach your eyes, and thats just coming from our solar system, so what you are trying to tell me is our planet is being haunted by million year old ghost? Or are you going to prove Einstein wrong and say that light travels at a greater speed then we actually perceive? You keep using these random facts as your proof when basic math or physic's can discredit you so easily a 5 year old could do it...

[gemiwine]

Star - any of the heavenly bodies, except the moon, appearing as fixed luminous points in the sky at night, any of the large, self-luminous, heavenly bodies, as the sun, Polaris, etc. any heavenly body, a heavenly body, especially a PLANET, considered as influencing humankind and events.

Planet - any of the eight large heavenly bodies revolving about the sun and shining by reflected light, a similar body revolving about a STAR other than the sun, celestial body moving in the sky, as distinguished from a fixed STAR

Also star is a synonym for planet

When we die our body's disintegrate into dust from which we were created or integrated by dirt. No mudo we are not daemons nor are we divine in nature, celestial or extraterrestrial. So you seriously think we are deities? That's ridiculous. Daemons used to be angels who were kicked out of heaven with lucifer & of course these angels are a creation from God thats been around before humans. So are you telling me aliens are not extraterrestrial that scientist & physicist claim? What are aliens then? & Why do you think they are not fallen angels?

[splat]

One note- Mudofale, the time for light to reach the earth from within our solar system is not millions of years. From the earth to the sun is something around 8 minutes, and we're three planets in. So in our own solar system, it's a matter of minutes to hours. The nearest solar systems would take about four years. You're thinking in terms of other galaxies, which are in the range of millions of light years.

The dirt of the earth is made of stellar dust compressed by the gravitational forces of the sun and galaxy. Earth is a heavenly body. Or have you heard nothing of the One Only One? Again, your ignorance is surprising for one so "educated".

Even by your own definition, planets are not stars. They are not fixed. That is how they were known to be planets by the ancients.

Also, there are more than eight planets. Most stars have planets of their own. Ours is but one of trillions.

If we are made of the same thing of everything else, and located in the same place as everything else, and our location and makeup defines what we are, then we must be the same thing as everything else. If demons are demons because they are made of stellar dust, and we are made of stellar dust, what are we?
Edit- Scientists and physicists (especially physicists) do not claim the existence of aliens. Let alone the concept that they have interacted with us before. At the very best, current science would support the idea that odds are, SOMEWHERE on those trillions upon trillions of planets out there, there is some form of life. Even simply bacteria.

[1313Jr.1313]

Also star is a synonym for planet


pretty sure this sums it up.

[effingbillgates]

pretty sure this sums it up.

He's going to think you're agreeing with him.

[Mudofale]

One note- Mudofale, the time for light to reach the earth from within our solar system is not millions of years. From the earth to the sun is something around 8 minutes, and we're three planets in. So in our own solar system, it's a matter of minutes to hours. The nearest solar systems would take about four years. You're thinking in terms of other galaxies, which are in the range of millions of light years.

The dirt of the earth is made of stellar dust compressed by the gravitational forces of the sun and galaxy. Earth is a heavenly body. Or have you heard nothing of the One Only One? Again, your ignorance is surprising for one so "educated".

Even by your own definition, planets are not stars. They are not fixed. That is how they were known to be planets by the ancients.

Also, there are more than eight planets. Most stars have planets of their own. Ours is but one of trillions.

If we are made of the same thing of everything else, and located in the same place as everything else, and our location and makeup defines what we are, then we must be the same thing as everything else. If demons are demons because they are made of stellar dust, and we are made of stellar dust, what are we?
Edit- Scientists and physicists (especially physicists) do not claim the existence of aliens. Let alone the concept that they have interacted with us before. At the very best, current science would support the idea that odds are, SOMEWHERE on those trillions upon trillions of planets out there, there is some form of life. Even simply bacteria.

Yeah my bad, after reading it again I noticed I refering to galaxy instead of solar system, which comprises of our 8 planets.

[Mudofale]

Star - any of the heavenly bodies, except the moon, appearing as fixed luminous points in the sky at night, any of the large, self-luminous, heavenly bodies, as the sun, Polaris, etc. any heavenly body, a heavenly body, especially a PLANET, considered as influencing humankind and events.

Planet - any of the eight large heavenly bodies revolving about the sun and shining by reflected light, a similar body revolving about a STAR other than the sun, celestial body moving in the sky, as distinguished from a fixed STAR

Also star is a synonym for planet

When we die our body's disintegrate into dust from which we were created or integrated by dirt. No mudo we are not daemons nor are we divine in nature, celestial or extraterrestrial. So you seriously think we are deities? That's ridiculous. Daemons used to be angels who were kicked out of heaven with lucifer & of course these angels are a creation from God thats been around before humans. So are you telling me aliens are not extraterrestrial that scientist & physicist claim? What are aliens then? & Why do you think they are not fallen angels?

Physicist don't deal with "Aliens" or "Extraterrestrials" however they do believe in them because of the nature of their work. Also, do you not find it funny that "daemons" or "demons" whatever you want to call them and their story sounds just like the ancient greeks beliefs in "Immortals" or fallen gods? You make it sound as if though humans are no more then dust, yet we are supposed to worship an invisible man who can take on the form of anything (which includes nothing)? Why would we people follow something that has no solid backing, and is so loosely interpreted that it can't have on single form? Just something for you to bring up in your next post I suppose. As for why I do not believe that Aliens are fallen angels is pretty obvious, if you are expecting me to believe that a solid (possibly), living creature from another planet, and quite possibly from another galaxy, is actually a man bound idol? Thats complete hog wash, and makes absolutely no sense. And if you are saying that Aliens can not be anything other then a fallen angel how much sense does that make at all? We live on earth, one of many solar systems in the milky way galaxy. And you are trying to tell me, that within the infinite amount of galaxies that exist and are currently forming, we are the only planet of those galaxies that holds life? If you actually believe that, and are trying to convince people of that then I really REALLY feel sorry for you. I seriously do.

[gemiwine]

One note- Mudofale, the time for light to reach the earth from within our solar system is not millions of years. From the earth to the sun is something around 8 minutes, and we're three planets in. So in our own solar system, it's a matter of minutes to hours. The nearest solar systems would take about four years. You're thinking in terms of other galaxies, which are in the range of millions of light years.

The dirt of the earth is made of stellar dust compressed by the gravitational forces of the sun and galaxy. Earth is a heavenly body. Or have you heard nothing of the One Only One? Again, your ignorance is surprising for one so "educated".

Even by your own definition, planets are not stars. They are not fixed. That is how they were known to be planets by the ancients.

Also, there are more than eight planets. Most stars have planets of their own. Ours is but one of trillions.

If we are made of the same thing of everything else, and located in the same place as everything else, and our location and makeup defines what we are, then we must be the same thing as everything else. If demons are demons because they are made of stellar dust, and we are made of stellar dust, what are we?
Edit- Scientists and physicists (especially physicists) do not claim the existence of aliens. Let alone the concept that they have interacted with us before. At the very best, current science would support the idea that odds are, SOMEWHERE on those trillions upon trillions of planets out there, there is some form of life. Even simply bacteria. Planet in greek means wandering star. I didn't use my own definition this is all coming from the dictionary which goes to show you that I didn't make any of it up.

Angels were made in the heavens & humans were made on the earth. Even though earth came about by the accretion of the solar nubela it still was here first before humans so there's no way humans who were created by the earth's dust & not of the cosmic kind proves that we are not celestial beings otherwise we wouldn't be called terrestrial. I argued about this with my co worker, claiming that angels used to be humans but then he later confirmed it to be false. Earth may have came from the heavens but humans didn't.

Well I don't know who said aliens were extraterrestrials. I just assumed scientist said it since its science related.

[gemiwine]

Physicist don't deal with "Aliens" or "Extraterrestrials" however they do believe in them because of the nature of their work. Also, do you not find it funny that "daemons" or "demons" whatever you want to call them and their story sounds just like the ancient greeks beliefs in "Immortals" or fallen gods? You make it sound as if though humans are no more then dust, yet we are supposed to worship an invisible man who can take on the form of anything (which includes nothing)? Why would we people follow something that has no solid backing, and is so loosely interpreted that it can't have on single form? Just something for you to bring up in your next post I suppose. As for why I do not believe that Aliens are fallen angels is pretty obvious, if you are expecting me to believe that a solid (possibly), living creature from another planet, and quite possibly from another galaxy, is actually a man bound idol? Thats complete hog wash, and makes absolutely no sense. And if you are saying that Aliens can not be anything other then a fallen angel how much sense does that make at all? We live on earth, one of many solar systems in the milky way galaxy. And you are trying to tell me, that within the infinite amount of galaxies that exist and are currently forming, we are the only planet of those galaxies that holds life? If you actually believe that, and are trying to convince people of that then I really REALLY feel sorry for you. I seriously do. What am I suppose to find funny about the definition of demons or daemons in the dictionary defined as a deity or divine in nature? If were no more then dust then what are we exactly? Whether we want to worship an invisible man or not is our chose. So your saying it makes better since to worship & follow something that's solidly visible? I never said other planets didn't have life but the earth is the only planet with the inhabitants of humans. Do you believe there are humans in other planets & in the galaxies as well that have gravity just like earth? If that's the case then why can't us humans ever make it there alive to discover that truth? You still didn't answer my question about what aliens are if their not celestial beings.

[1313Jr.1313]

What am I suppose to find funny about the definition of demons or daemons in the dictionary defined as a deity or divine in nature? If were no more then dust then what are we exactly? Whether we want to worship an invisible man or not is our chose. So your saying it makes better since to worship & follow something that's solidly visible? I never said other planets didn't have life but the earth is the only planet with the inhabitants of humans. Do you believe there are humans in other planets & in the galaxies as well that have gravity just like earth? If that's the case then why can't us humans ever make it there alive to discover that truth? You still didn't answer my question about what aliens are if their not celestial beings.

your questions have been answered. your inability to see it doesn't change that fact.

[gemiwine]

your questions have been answered. your inability to see it doesn't change that fact.He didn't explain what aliens are after I asked so how is that answering my question?

[Mudofale]

He didn't explain what aliens are after I asked so how is that answering my question?

I assumed it was common sense....
Have you heard of humanoids? They are beings that resemble human beings, but are not human like. Aliens can range from anything, single cell organism to an organism comprised of mostly light (pure form I suppose). You can not narrow down an entire universe to a single being, that is just idiotic. Other words, you are saying that every organism that isn't human is actual a fallen angel? And the chances of another planet in some galaxy or universe with the same gravity, population, culture, life forms, and distance from the sun is about 1/e^9999. The chances of repeating an outcome in an uncontrolled environment are damn near impossible, the slightest change in any part of that galaxy or planet will create a completely different organism.

Honestly, do you read what you type?

Do you believe there are humans in other planets & in the galaxies as well that have gravity just like earth? If that's the case then why can't us humans ever make it there alive to discover that truth?

If you honestly believe you can traverse our solar system in a single life time then you have some high hopes, and I would love to see your works in the aerospace industry. I'm not even going to bother with light speed conversions because you wouldn't even understand what I am saying, considering you can't even follow simple words like "organism" and "life". I will put it in simple terms, planets are far FAR VERY FAR away, to get to these plants you have to move very VERY VERY fast to reach them, in order to generate large amounts of speed you must find a fuel source that can generate large amounts of energy. Once you're in space it's rather simple to maintain speeds, also you aren't limited by gravity so you can travel are speeds greater then that of on earth. Or, you would have to be able to fold space and time to travel from one instance to another (that is if you don't actually believe in the perception of time) pretty much opening a gate or worm hole. Practical? No. Possible? Not at the time. But it's called the future for a reason, anything is possible. After reading what I just typed over again, you might have trouble understanding that...


Planets far, energy source weak, humans fragile, age quickly. If we can't travel to mars and back in a single life time, how would do you propose we leave our solar system? Or are you going to use the fact that we can't travel at these speeds because it's impossible because only "daemons" can travel at these speeds? Simply turning on a light proves that you can exceed the sound barrier, yet you still fail to understand something as simple as that. I keep saying you fail to understand these things because you keep asking such foolish questions that can be answered by the simplest things we do on a daily basis but don't even realize we actually do them.

[splat]

Planet in greek means wandering star. I didn't use my own definition this is all coming from the dictionary which goes to show you that I didn't make any of it up.

Angels were made in the heavens & humans were made on the earth. Even though earth came about by the accretion of the solar nubela it still was here first before humans so there's no way humans who were created by the earth's dust & not of the cosmic kind proves that we are not celestial beings otherwise we wouldn't be called terrestrial. I argued about this with my co worker, claiming that angels used to be humans but then he later confirmed it to be false. Earth may have came from the heavens but humans didn't.

Well I don't know who said aliens were extraterrestrials. I just assumed scientist said it since its science related.


We call ourselves terrestrial. That was our delegation. And no, angels have never been human. This doesn't mean they are special BECAUSE they are not from earth.

Here's an example. Einstein was special. He was not from America. Was he special because he was from Germany? You're saying yes. I'm saying that he happened to be special AND from Germany, not that one caused the other.

But, beyond that, the terrestrial dust IS celestial dust. We just live on this one clump of it. And our bodies are made from that dust. We are part of the All that is the One. Hermes Trismegistus is facepalming at you right now.

[effingbillgates]

I didn't use my own definition this is all coming from the dictionary which goes to show you that I didn't make any of it up.

It goes to show you can't even read the dictionary without getting it completely wrong.

[Mudofale]

We call ourselves terrestrial. That was our delegation. And no, angels have never been human. This doesn't mean they are special BECAUSE they are not from earth.

Here's an example. Einstein was special. He was not from America. Was he special because he was from Germany? You're saying yes. I'm saying that he happened to be special AND from Germany, not that one caused the other.

But, beyond that, the terrestrial dust IS celestial dust. We just live on this one clump of it. And our bodies are made from that dust. We are part of the All that is the One. Hermes Trismegistus is facepalming at you right now.

I believe half the world would be face palming right now if they could read what he is saying, although thats inaccurate because more then 75% of the world believes in some sort of deity or god. At least most of those religions believe in what they believe in because they have a solid reason, or it helps them. Instead of trying to forcefully trick people into it with lies and prosecution... I believe that if something makes you happy, and helps you without causing harm to others, then more power to you.

[splat]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KayBys8gaJY

[Mudofale]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KayBys8gaJY

Finally, a youtube link that actually makes sense. I found this pretty interesting.

[gemiwine]

I assumed it was common sense....
Have you heard of humanoids? They are beings that resemble human beings, but are not human like. Aliens can range from anything, single cell organism to an organism comprised of mostly light (pure form I suppose). You can not narrow down an entire universe to a single being, that is just idiotic. Other words, you are saying that every organism that isn't human is actual a fallen angel? And the chances of another planet in some galaxy or universe with the same gravity, population, culture, life forms, and distance from the sun is about 1/e^9999. The chances of repeating an outcome in an uncontrolled environment are damn near impossible, the slightest change in any part of that galaxy or planet will create a completely different organism.

Honestly, do you read what you type?


If you honestly believe you can traverse our solar system in a single life time then you have some high hopes, and I would love to see your works in the aerospace industry. I'm not even going to bother with light speed conversions because you wouldn't even understand what I am saying, considering you can't even follow simple words like "organism" and "life". I will put it in simple terms, planets are far FAR VERY FAR away, to get to these plants you have to move very VERY VERY fast to reach them, in order to generate large amounts of speed you must find a fuel source that can generate large amounts of energy. Once you're in space it's rather simple to maintain speeds, also you aren't limited by gravity so you can travel are speeds greater then that of on earth. Or, you would have to be able to fold space and time to travel from one instance to another (that is if you don't actually believe in the perception of time) pretty much opening a gate or worm hole. Practical? No. Possible? Not at the time. But it's called the future for a reason, anything is possible. After reading what I just typed over again, you might have trouble understanding that...


Planets far, energy source weak, humans fragile, age quickly. If we can't travel to mars and back in a single life time, how would do you propose we leave our solar system? Or are you going to use the fact that we can't travel at these speeds because it's impossible because only "daemons" can travel at these speeds? Simply turning on a light proves that you can exceed the sound barrier, yet you still fail to understand something as simple as that. I keep saying you fail to understand these things because you keep asking such foolish questions that can be answered by the simplest things we do on a daily basis but don't even realize we actually do them. What does artificial intelligence have to do with explaining what aliens are? Correct me if I'm wrong but are you saying that creatures from outerspace or other planets especially extraterrestrials are not nessesarily angelic but can be humans too? What you fail to realize is angelic beings that come from the heavens can transform into any entity when on earth to resemble that of a human or a ball of light you say, yet it still dosent mean that they are humans or of anything earthy. This universe as you know has been around before humans & life of other beings which are celestial were already here in the universe before & after the earth was created. Every organism that is of the earth is not a fallen angel but any entity that is of the universe is celestial or angelic which has no existence of mortal life of any kind. There are no other beings in the universe that are human nor of human relation. Aliens are not advance superhumans like the majority of the world wants us to think if you do so likewise. Believing that the universe & other planets have other beings that are of human nature is like believing that I can create a combustion with my bare hands without the use of the earth's elements.

Sorry Mudo but there is no hope, nor possibility in a million light years even in the future which is now, would we mortals ever be able to create such a super, highly developed spaceship that holds the element of energy source that never will be found that hasn't already been used that can travel at extraordinary speeds which limit our abilities to endure such extreme forces, weight & tempertues, with the desired amount of fuel to last us on that trip.

I understand where your coming from but I refuse to let these scientist, physcist & astronauts fill my head with such clouded dreams that only the majority of kids would believe from sifi & cartoon shows that promote that false idea of traveling the galaxy. There's a reason why they say SKY is the limit. Our technology may keep advancing but not us despite what followers of darwin wants us sadly to place our faith in.

[gemiwine]

We call ourselves terrestrial. That was our delegation. And no, angels have never been human. This doesn't mean they are special BECAUSE they are not from earth.

Here's an example. Einstein was special. He was not from America. Was he special because he was from Germany? You're saying yes. I'm saying that he happened to be special AND from Germany, not that one caused the other.

But, beyond that, the terrestrial dust IS celestial dust. We just live on this one clump of it. And our bodies are made from that dust. We are part of the All that is the One. Hermes Trismegistus is facepalming at you right now. Angels are distinct from humans based on the fact that they're immortal creatures who are celestial.

That example is poor.

Our bodies are made from the dust of the earth even though the earth itself came from the heavens. Humans are not from the heavens no matter how much you want to believe we are gods.

[gemiwine]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K3cUTheaAio

[splat]

Angels are distinct from humans based on the fact that they're immortal creatures who are celestial.

That example is poor.

Our bodies are made from the dust of the earth even though the earth itself came from the heavens. Humans are not from the heavens no matter how much you want to believe we are gods.

Prove that they are immortal.

The example is apt.

All bodies are from One Thing.

As for your video, I know that at least one of those was a dying star going supernova, not an alien. Also, they commit a grievous logical fallacy on Fox News (no real surprise there). They ask "Where did they come from?" and then offer up "Well, creationists don't have burden of proof for some reason, so we're going to say that it's NOT because of evolution" Which frankly, makes no sense. They then draw the more nonsensical conclusion that since their poor logic dictates that they did not evolve, they must be angels. This is what we in the community of the intelligent like to call "Fail".

[Mudofale]

What you fail to realize is angelic beings that come from the heavens can transform into any entity when on earth to resemble that of a human or a ball of light you say, yet it still dosent mean that they are humans or of anything earthy.
You literally just said that Aliens don't exist because Angels and demons can take on any form that they want, so what makes you so sure that Angels are actually Angels, and Demons are actually Demons? For one thing, I never said that there are other humans in this universe, because there aren't. Human beings are a unique classification only available on earth, anything that resembles humans in any fashion is a HUMANOID, say it with me, HUMANOID. As in, it as human like qualities, but IS NOT human. You are literally pulling randomness out of thin air and trying to discredit things that have been proven for decades. You are a demon, because you are not from this state, there for you are not from this earth, you look like a human, but are actually a demon pretending to be a human. Thats how you sound to me, you are taking the impossible, with no proof, and trying to call it a legitimate fact.


There are no other beings in the universe that are human nor of human relation. Aliens are not advance superhumans like the majority of the world wants us to think if you do so likewise. Believing that the universe & other planets have other beings that are of human nature is like believing that I can create a combustion with my bare hands without the use of the earth's elements.
You just compared something plausible, with something that is true... Aliens from a distant galaxy, towards the outer edge of the universe are, in fact they are more advanced then we are for the simple fact that they have been around for many millions of years before we have. What kind of species starts off using basic tools, then a million years later is using those same basic tools and living the same basic life style? None, you can look at a virus and it'll prove your disbelief in evolution wrong, parasites and virus adapt and change constantly to survive, whether it be by breaking down cellular structures so that they can adsorb what they need more easily, or obtaining two nucleoli in order to produce more substances they need.
Creating a fire with your bare hands is also possible, not very plausible, but still possible. It is impossible to create anything without using the basic elements because you yourself are made up of basic elements.... What are you going to do, remove every atom from your body then prove to me you can't create fire? You don't even understand basic laws of physic's yet you are trying to argue that things are impossible and other things are possible, even though your only backing is some made up facts and pulp fiction people have been adding on to to portray and carry on the idea of faiths... Yet at the same time you are trying to debunk the exact religion you are following, which brings me to the question, what exactly are you trying to prove or disprove? Because right now you just seem like a person with too much free time who wants to argue.


Sorry Mudo but there is no hope, nor possibility in a million light years even in the future which is now, would we mortals ever be able to create such a super, highly developed spaceship that holds the element of energy source that never will be found that hasn't already been used that can travel at extraordinary speeds which limit our abilities to endure such extreme forces, weight & tempertues, with the desired amount of fuel to last us on that trip.
Again with you and physic's... Outer space, or the outer most layer of the earths atmosphere, have no actual weight restrictions or limits, they have temperatures for obvious reasons, only way you could get rid of that would be to remove all kinetic energy from the universe... good luck with that. Weight in outer space? The reason you feel a force on earth when you travel at high speeds is because gravity is acting on you, not to mention the actual fact of traveling at high speeds on a plane of existence that has an atmosphere has catastrophic consequences when you release that much energy in all directions, talking about the earth consuming it's self then rapidly exploding outward like the big bang. Are you actually comparing weight in outer space to weight on earth? I could travel 10000000x the speed of sound in outer space and the only things that would happen to me are ending up in another dimension (who knows really) and, traveling through "time". And no, im not saying thats how you create a time machine, I don't feel like explaining how light and speeds work because thats another lesson in it's own and you would just say |"Aliens can't do it, because they don't exist, and humans can't because it's not possible!"| Neither is flight, but we obtained that even though it goes against the laws of physic's.


I understand where your coming from but I refuse to let these scientist, physcist & astronauts fill my head with such clouded dreams that only the majority of kids would believe from sifi & cartoon shows that promote that false idea of traveling the galaxy. There's a reason why they say SKY is the limit. Our technology may keep advancing but not us despite what followers of darwin wants us sadly to place our faith in.
Dreams? Dreams are what shapes the future, without dreams you wouldn't exist, without dreams the internet wouldn't exist, without dreams religions wouldn't exist. You keep trying to shoo away things as if they have no meaning at all, but they hold a deeper value or meaning than you give them credit...

[gemiwine]

Prove that they are immortal.

The example is apt.

All bodies are from One Thing.

As for your video, I know that at least one of those was a dying star going supernova, not an alien. Also, they commit a grievous logical fallacy on Fox News (no real surprise there). They ask "Where did they come from?" and then offer up "Well, creationists don't have burden of proof for some reason, so we're going to say that it's NOT because of evolution" Which frankly, makes no sense. They then draw the more nonsensical conclusion that since their poor logic dictates that they did not evolve, they must be angels. This is what we in the community of the intelligent like to call "Fail".Angels have been around before humans & still exist to this day. Angelic beings in its real form does not resemble that of human. So you cant expect an angel in the heavens to look exactly like a human with wings & a halo like cartoons, scifi movies & such that draw that image for you to believe.

[gemiwine]

You literally just said that Aliens don't exist because Angels and demons can take on any form that they want, so what makes you so sure that Angels are actually Angels, and Demons are actually Demons? For one thing, I never said that there are other humans in this universe, because there aren't. Human beings are a unique classification only available on earth, anything that resembles humans in any fashion is a HUMANOID, say it with me, HUMANOID. As in, it as human like qualities, but IS NOT human. You are literally pulling randomness out of thin air and trying to discredit things that have been proven for decades. You are a demon, because you are not from this state, there for you are not from this earth, you look like a human, but are actually a demon pretending to be a human. Thats how you sound to me, you are taking the impossible, with no proof, and trying to call it a legitimate fact.


You just compared something plausible, with something that is true... Aliens from a distant galaxy, towards the outer edge of the universe are, in fact they are more advanced then we are for the simple fact that they have been around for many millions of years before we have. What kind of species starts off using basic tools, then a million years later is using those same basic tools and living the same basic life style? None, you can look at a virus and it'll prove your disbelief in evolution wrong, parasites and virus adapt and change constantly to survive, whether it be by breaking down cellular structures so that they can adsorb what they need more easily, or obtaining two nucleoli in order to produce more substances they need.
Creating a fire with your bare hands is also possible, not very plausible, but still possible. It is impossible to create anything without using the basic elements because you yourself are made up of basic elements.... What are you going to do, remove every atom from your body then prove to me you can't create fire? You don't even understand basic laws of physic's yet you are trying to argue that things are impossible and other things are possible, even though your only backing is some made up facts and pulp fiction people have been adding on to to portray and carry on the idea of faiths... Yet at the same time you are trying to debunk the exact religion you are following, which brings me to the question, what exactly are you trying to prove or disprove? Because right now you just seem like a person with too much free time who wants to argue.


Again with you and physic's... Outer space, or the outer most layer of the earths atmosphere, have no actual weight restrictions or limits, they have temperatures for obvious reasons, only way you could get rid of that would be to remove all kinetic energy from the universe... good luck with that. Weight in outer space? The reason you feel a force on earth when you travel at high speeds is because gravity is acting on you, not to mention the actual fact of traveling at high speeds on a plane of existence that has an atmosphere has catastrophic consequences when you release that much energy in all directions, talking about the earth consuming it's self then rapidly exploding outward like the big bang. Are you actually comparing weight in outer space to weight on earth? I could travel 10000000x the speed of sound in outer space and the only things that would happen to me are ending up in another dimension (who knows really) and, traveling through "time". And no, im not saying thats how you create a time machine, I don't feel like explaining how light and speeds work because thats another lesson in it's own and you would just say |"Aliens can't do it, because they don't exist, and humans can't because it's not possible!"| Neither is flight, but we obtained that even though it goes against the laws of physic's.


Dreams? Dreams are what shapes the future, without dreams you wouldn't exist, without dreams the internet wouldn't exist, without dreams religions wouldn't exist. You keep trying to shoo away things as if they have no meaning at all, but they hold a deeper value or meaning than you give them credit... Aliens that have been around for millions of years even before humans would that not make them immortal meaning not human?

Really mudo I need to smoke some of that good physics weed so when I get high I can try to make a fire with my hands for my grill to barbecue some ribs & chicken. Saves me money on coal & lighter fluid at least. If I understand the law of physics then that makes me what? Since your an expert at it is it also possible that I can outrun a Ryno & go pound for pound with a gorilla & win? Can I also roar a mile long like a lion? These are your made up facts & pulp fiction that you added on to portray & carry your idea of faith in physics. Your thinking resembles that of a cartoon. You think physics give you the ability to do literally anything so let me get to the experimentation now because your motivating. I already told you I don't follow religion so what am I debunking again? What are you trying to prove or disaprove since your the one who started the arguments from the jump who responded to me when I never mentioned you in the first place.

Of course we have dreams but certain thoughts are just foolish like that of a child. Its time to face reality.

[splat]

First- Prove it. Do not use the bible. The bible is not a valid source. If you use a bible, I will use L. Ron Hubbard's "The Creation of Human Ability" as a counter and prove that aliens are humans and humans are aliens. And honestly, it's not a bad source as it uses viable physics and metaphysical concepts rather than vague parables and metaphors.

Second- I didn't claim that, should angels exist, they look like us. I am not sure why you are arguing this point.

[splat]

Aliens that have been around for millions of years even before humans would that not make them immortal meaning not human?

Really mudo I need to smoke some of that good physics weed so when I get high I can try to make a fire with my hands for my grill to barbecue some ribs & chicken. Saves me money on coal & lighter fluid at least. If I understand the law of physics then that makes me what? Since your an expert at it is it also possible that I can outrun a Ryno & go pound for pound with a gorilla & win? Can I also roar a mile long like a lion? These are your made up facts & pulp fiction that you added on to portray & carry your idea of faith in physics. Your thinking resembles that of a cartoon. You think physics give you the ability to do literally anything so let me get to the experimentation now because your motivating. I already told you I don't follow religion so what am I debunking again? What are you trying to prove or disaprove since your the one who started the arguments from the jump who responded to me when I never mentioned you in the first place.

Of course we have dreams but certain thoughts are just foolish like that of a child. Its time to face reality.

Firstly, I doubt Mudofale was claiming that we can overcome animals, or whatever nonsense you are talking about now. Physics simply explains the universe. You have no idea how science works, do you? Science and Technology are two different things. Science is testing through a specific method involving singular variables and controls to determine solid results, and is done purely to discover how things work. Technology is using the knowledge acquired from Science to accomplish a task.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wYVdhKVb9WE&feature=related Also, there is this.

And you may want to reread your last sentence here and meditate on it a while.

[gemiwine]

First- Prove it. Do not use the bible. The bible is not a valid source. If you use a bible, I will use L. Ron Hubbard's "The Creation of Human Ability" as a counter and prove that aliens are humans and humans are aliens. And honestly, it's not a bad source as it uses viable physics and metaphysical concepts rather than vague parables and metaphors.

Second- I didn't claim that, should angels exist, they look like us. I am not sure why you are arguing this point.You want me to prove it by using physics & metaphysical concepts like L. Ron Ubbard & other philosophers rather than by its definition & the proof of the existense of aliens which are angelic beings. If you still don't believe it then that's too bad. If aliens have been around for millions of years even before humans then they have to be immortal. Humans are mortal who live & die. Angels & demons don't die & if they do then prove it.

[gemiwine]

Firstly, I doubt Mudofale was claiming that we can overcome animals, or whatever nonsense you are talking about now. Physics simply explains the universe. You have no idea how science works, do you? Science and Technology are two different things. Science is testing through a specific method involving singular variables and controls to determine solid results, and is done purely to discover how things work. Technology is using the knowledge acquired from Science to accomplish a task.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wYVdhKVb9WE&feature=related Also, there is this.

And you may want to reread your last sentence here and meditate on it a while.Mudo is basically implying the idea that we humans can do anything so by that I asked those questions. Science is nothing more than just philosophy that creates ideas to get people to support & call it a fact. If I disagree with his idea that we can do anything then he'll say I know nothing of physics & science then trolls on from there since he uses it to prove everything.

[effingbillgates]

Angels & demons don't die & if they do then prove it.

LOL, no - he asked you to prove that they are immortal, since that's what you're basing all of today's gibberish on. It's not his responsibility to prove that they do die, especially since you haven't even proved that they exist.

[effingbillgates]

Mudo is basically implying the idea that we humans can do anything so by that I asked those questions. Science is nothing more than just philosophy that creates ideas to get people to support & call it a fact. If I disagree with his idea that we can do anything then he'll say I know nothing of physics & science then trolls on from there since he uses it to prove everything.

Science uses facts and evidence, and willingly changes its conclusions when that evidence changes. What do you use again? For facts you use bollocks, the filter in your head turning even the dictionary into gobbledegook. And for evidence you use hearsay from other daft-minded people on the internet. I don't know which is more annoying - the crap you spout or the manner in which you constantly claim the high ground when you never have anything meaningful whatsoever to support your positions.

[effingbillgates]

If you still don't believe it then that's too bad.

Well if it's "too bad" not to be as gullible as you, then "too bad" indeed. Let's celebrate.

[gemiwine]

LOL, no - he asked you to prove that they are immortal, since that's what you're basing all of today's gibberish on. It's not his responsibility to prove that they do die, especially since you haven't even proved that they exist.If you need proof that angelic beings are immortal then your not as smart as you say you are. If the universe is everlasting & these celestial beings that came from them have to be that as well. Its like asking me to prove that tae kwon do is a martial art.

[gemiwine]

Science uses facts and evidence, and willingly changes its conclusions when that evidence changes. What do you use again? For facts you use bollocks, the filter in your head turning even the dictionary into gobbledegook. And for evidence you use hearsay from other daft-minded people on the internet. I don't know which is more annoying - the crap you spout or the manner in which you constantly claim the high ground when you never have anything meaningful whatsoever to support your positions.Science didn't prove evolution to be true.
It only proved that they used this false idea to create genocide.

[1313Jr.1313]

Science didn't prove evolution to be true.
It only proved that they used this fase idea to create genocide.

if you want to quote other peoples' ideas that they came up with while clearly high and pass them off as fact that's one thing, but to quote actual things and say they are something they aren't only reflects badly on you. that being said, you clearly do not know what you do and for that i forgive your ignorance.

[effingbillgates]

If you need proof that angelic beings are immortal then your not as smart as you say you are. If the universe is everlasting & these celestial beings that came from them have to be that as well. Its like asking me to prove that tae kwon do is a martial art.

If you've brainwashed yourself to that extent, I'm sure it's like asking you to prove that water is wet and red is red. I have no reason to believe in angelic beings at all, though, nor to assume the universe is "everlasting", because I don't spend my days reading delusional rants from paranoid people on the internet. Maybe you can open my eyes oh wise one. With proper evidence of course, rather than vague, spurious stories that you didn't even read properly the first time.

[effingbillgates]

Science didn't prove evolution to be true.
It only proved that they used this fase idea to create genocide.

I can't even be bothered to reply to this; it's like conversing with a Furby. See 1313Jr.1313's response above and consider me out of this discussion.

[gemiwine]

if you want to quote other peoples' ideas that they came up with while clearly high and pass them off as fact that's one thing, but to quote actual things and say they are something they aren't only reflects badly on you. that being said, you clearly do not know what you do and for that i forgive your ignorance.So your saying Hitler didn't use evolution to support his agenda?

[gemiwine]

If you've brainwashed yourself to that extent, I'm sure it's like asking you to prove that water is wet and red is red. I have no reason to believe in angelic beings at all, though, nor to assume the universe is "everlasting", because I don't spend my days reading delusional rants from paranoid people on the internet. Maybe you can open my eyes oh wise one. With proper evidence of course, rather than vague, spurious stories that you didn't even read properly the first time.I'm brainwashed just because I believe angelic beings are immortal & the universe is infinite? What are you trying to prove again?

[effingbillgates]

I'm brainwashed just because I believe angelic beings are immortal & the universe is infinite? What are you trying to prove again?

Nope. You're brainwashed because you have formed a ridiculous basis from which to think and debate, and flooded your brain with selective nonsense that you consider to be "facts". Saying "too bad you don't believe what I believe" is nothing except an invitation for people to stop thinking for themselves and join you and your brainwashed friends.



So your saying Hitler didn't use evolution to support his agenda?

Godwin's Law. You lose.

[gemiwine]

Finally

[gemiwine]

These are your opinions that are yet to be proven true. I never claimed to be a debater nor attempted to a recruit anyone to follow me. You haven't disaproved me nor proved yourself to be right but use philosophy & philosophers as evidence to claim as a fact. You base your knowledge off of other thinkers just like your friends. As for me I have no friends nor followers nor do I follow another mans idea to support as a fact.

[effingbillgates]

These are your opinions that are yet to be proven true. I never claimed to be a debater nor attempted to a recruit anyone to follow me. You haven't disaproved me nor proved yourself to be right but use philosophy & philosophers as evidence to claim as a fact. You base your knowledge off of other thinkers just like your friends. As for me I have no friends nor followers nor do I follow another mans idea to support as a fact.

The difference is that I acknowledge what I say is based upon evidence and opinion, and can change as new evidence comes to light.

Whereas you are claiming what you're saying is "truth", even though what you're using as evidence is either completely absurd or you've misunderstood it on every level.

The difference between these two positions is that you are claiming authority with your link to "truth". Since we don't live in the 15th century, and fewer people are brainwashed nowadays, the onus is on you to provide all the evidence necessary to back up your claims to truth. Having failed to do this, you have resorted to telling us it's best to just believe the same thing as you. In other words, you have nothing.

Anyway you can't be taken seriously, so what's the point in this discussion? Your connection of evolution with Hitler means this has become too stupid and the conversation is over.

[Mudofale]

Aliens that have been around for millions of years even before humans would that not make them immortal meaning not human?

Really mudo I need to smoke some of that good physics weed so when I get high I can try to make a fire with my hands for my grill to barbecue some ribs & chicken. Saves me money on coal & lighter fluid at least. If I understand the law of physics then that makes me what? Since your an expert at it is it also possible that I can outrun a Ryno & go pound for pound with a gorilla & win? Can I also roar a mile long like a lion? These are your made up facts & pulp fiction that you added on to portray & carry your idea of faith in physics. Your thinking resembles that of a cartoon. You think physics give you the ability to do literally anything so let me get to the experimentation now because your motivating. I already told you I don't follow religion so what am I debunking again? What are you trying to prove or disaprove since your the one who started the arguments from the jump who responded to me when I never mentioned you in the first place.

Of course we have dreams but certain thoughts are just foolish like that of a child. Its time to face reality.
You literally are just proving every word we say about you, lacks common sense, doesn't understand what an example is, and all around doesn't know how to read. If you can not understand how physic's works, then how are you going to call people crazy who actually understand it? The reason I don't bother explaining it to you is for the reason above, you just make random hog wash out of it because you don't understand it, or for some reason can't accept simple facts.


Mudo is basically implying the idea that we humans can do anything so by that I asked those questions. Science is nothing more than just philosophy that creates ideas to get people to support & call it a fact. If I disagree with his idea that we can do anything then he'll say I know nothing of physics & science then trolls on from there since he uses it to prove everything.
Humans can't do anything? Then why are we alive? Human capability is only limited to the era in which that human is bound to. 600 years ago if I told someone I could live to be 90 years old they would call me a witch and burn me at the steak, now-a-days living to 90 is an accomplishment, but not as big a deal. THAT WAS AN EXAMPLE IF YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT IT WAS. Im typing in caps hoping you actually read that part, maybe your pea sized eyes will detect the large font.

You really do not understand what science is, do you? You can't just make random things up and call them fact, thats why there are scientific laws, and scientific methods to follow. If you can not reproduce an outcome in a controlled environment then it can not be called a scientific law, you can call anything a theory until you prove it is factual and have solid evidence to back it. All your doing is calling random text you find fact with no solid evidence to back it up. So I ask you again, what exactly are you trying to do? Because all your doing is theory crafting.


If you need proof that angelic beings are immortal then your not as smart as you say you are. If the universe is everlasting & these celestial beings that came from them have to be that as well. Its like asking me to prove that tae kwon do is a martial art.
You haven't proved that angelic beings aren't immortal, nor have you provided evidence that they are mortal. Your basing your facts and depictions off fairy tales and tall tales that have been passed down since the Roman and Greek era's.
Simply prove to us that what you are saying is true, with SOLID evidence, not some random youtube video about a cat with a scar that looks like Jesus, and saying that cat was touched by the holy one (not exactly what you are doing, but it's damn near close). Using religion as your factual evidence is about as accurate as me using a thermometer to judge how far away my alarm clock is from my desk. It's irrelevant, and has none or little factual backing to call it solid evidence, why do you think physicist and scientist don't quote their journals and diaries as evidence as to why they believe we will be able to make our first trip to mars in the next 50-60 years. Because there is no proof in their books AT ALL, it sounds simple when they read it, but it's just a theory. Yet for some reason you don't understand what a theory is, and you keep mistaking it as facts.
Why don't I provide evidence to back my claims? Because im not making claims, im simply explaining to you why your "ideas" aren't what you are making them out to be.

[Mudofale]

How about this, is gravity a hoax? It is after all the a basic rudimentary concept of physic's. And according to you, anyone who believes in physic's is a lunatic who lacks knowledge.

[splat]

Technically, Mudofale, a theory requires a great deal of evidence. A hypothesis requires little evidence, as it is an educated guess. Only when observations have been made can a theory be formed to explain the observations.

Also, Gemwine, you are yet to prove that angels ARE aliens, and more importantly, that if they exist, they are immortal. Prove it. Prove that they are immortal.

And clearly no, not everything made of celestial dust is eternal. The Earth is made of celestial dust. It is not eternal. We are made from the earth which is celestial dust, and we are not eternal. Anything with a physical form is prone to decay. That is the law of Entropy, that is the law as revealed by Thoth.

So aside from that failure in understanding, what is your evidence that aliens are angels AND that they are immortal?

[1313Jr.1313]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NsuBRU1r8nU

[gemiwine]

The difference is that I acknowledge what I say is based upon evidence and opinion, and can change as new evidence comes to light.

Whereas you are claiming what you're saying is "truth", even though what you're using as evidence is either completely absurd or you've misunderstood it on every level.

The difference between these two positions is that you are claiming authority with your link to "truth". Since we don't live in the 15th century, and fewer people are brainwashed nowadays, the onus is on you to provide all the evidence necessary to back up your claims to truth. Having failed to do this, you have resorted to telling us it's best to just believe the same thing as you. In other words, you have nothing.

Anyway you can't be taken seriously, so what's the point in this discussion? Your connection of evolution with Hitler means this has become too stupid and the conversation is over. Exactly but your views on me to your own acknowledgment can never become truth as you want it to be with zero evidence coming from you.

Once again you are steady accusing me of making up claims. The evidence I used was the dictionary & your saying that is absurb? How can I have misunderstood it if I never edited the meaings when all I did was copy & paste the exact definitions.

The links I used are strickly for reference purposes which I never claimed to be truth. Its not my job to prove anything to you. What's funny is that you & your friends here do the same thing by providing links to prove your point about me. When that fails then you attack my character based on your cynic. If you or anyone can't research it yourself & find out the truth about it then I'm not going to attempt to get you to believe me regardless. You & everyone else fails to this because your wither too lazy too inviestigate it or your just not interested period. Your actually wrong about the brainwashing part. There are more people brainwashed today like never before. Science & philosophy are not truths yet your passing them off to me to be just that.

What's the point of you responding to me if you know everything about me to be false & apocryphal? I used evolution as an example of why science fails at certain levels of ideas made up by people who want to pass them off as truth like you.

[gemiwine]

How about this, is gravity a hoax? It is after all the a basic rudimentary concept of physic's. And according to you, anyone who believes in physic's is a lunatic who lacks knowledge.You dont have to learn physics to know that gravity exist. You just have a habit of putting words in my mouth that I never said.

[effingbillgates]

LOL at the idea of responding to that gibberish. All I want from a discussion like this is for people like you to finally realise you're wrong and give up on all this crap. That would make the world approximately 1% better for me. Not that important, not a big issue, but it would reduce the stupidity levels a little bit enough for the level to be raised slightly.


The links I used are strickly for reference purposes which I never claimed to be truth.

[...]

If you or anyone can't research it yourself & find out the truth about it

Can you see that contradiction? You do think it's "truth" and you're inviting us to do the work to prove that it's true, rather than proving it yourself. Just as I said.

All your crap is to do with having "truth" on your side. Give up on that and you'll immediately come across a lot better in these discussions.

[effingbillgates]

You dont have to learn physics to know that gravity exist. You just have a habit of putting words in my mouth that I never said.

Gravity would not exist as a concept without physics, which is something you keep categorically rejecting.

[gemiwine]

Technically, Mudofale, a theory requires a great deal of evidence. A hypothesis requires little evidence, as it is an educated guess. Only when observations have been made can a theory be formed to explain the observations.

Also, Gemwine, you are yet to prove that angels ARE aliens, and more importantly, that if they exist, they are immortal. Prove it. Prove that they are immortal.

And clearly no, not everything made of celestial dust is eternal. The Earth is made of celestial dust. It is not eternal. We are made from the earth which is celestial dust, and we are not eternal. Anything with a physical form is prone to decay. That is the law of Entropy, that is the law as revealed by Thoth.

So aside from that failure in understanding, what is your evidence that aliens are angels AND that they are immortal?Aliens are extraterrestrials that are located in the heavens which makes them celestial beings, divine in nature, angelic, cherubic & seraphic. Fallen angels used to be cherubic & seraphic but where dethrowned from heaven that are now defined as evil spirits, aliens & ghost that are immortal to this change in position since they are archfiends to the angels. Since you don't accept this as evidence you should investigate into it & find out yourself without my interpretation on it.

[effingbillgates]

Aliens are extraterrestrials that are located in the heavens

I'll stop you there. If aliens exist, they exist on other planets, not "the heavens". Please try to not confuse facts with nonsense if at all possible.

All the rest - everything after where I stopped you - archfiends, fallen angels and so on: into the bin with it, for it is entirely garbage. Your words do not become "evidence" at any point, so you can get that out of your head as well.



Since you don't accept this as evidence you should investigate into it & find out yourself without my interpretation on it.

Nope, keep working please. Since you're the one who thinks this stuff needs to be believed rather than ignored, you're the one who needs to provide the evidence to convince us.

[gemiwine]

How about this, is gravity a hoax? It is after all the a basic rudimentary concept of physic's. And according to you, anyone who believes in physic's is a lunatic who lacks knowledge. Gravity is physics but you only NEED to learn physics in order to use gravity for a specific purpose if I want to make certain things like bombs, biohazard chemicals, medicines, weapons & masonry to counteract with the world. Gravity is why humans are mortal & able to function physically & grow, wherein celsestial beings don't have gravitation which is what makes them immortal & can function without being physically visible to the naked eye of a human.

[effingbillgates]

Gravity is physics but you only NEED to learn physics in order to use gravity for a specific purpose if I want to make certain things like bombs, biohazard chemicals, medicines, weapons & masonry to counteract with the world.

What the hell.


Gravity is why humans are mortal & able to function physically & grow, wherein celsestial beings don't have gravitation which is what makes them immortal & can function without being physically visible to the naked eye of a human.

Jesus Christ, what drivel.

I know this is a fart forum, but that doesn't mean all the things you say need to be pulled out of your arse.

[gemiwine]

LOL at the idea of responding to that gibberish. All I want from a discussion like this is for people like you to finally realise you're wrong and give up on all this crap. That would make the world approximately 1% better for me. Not that important, not a big issue, but it would reduce the stupidity levels a little bit enough for the level to be raised slightly.



Can you see that contradiction? You do think it's "truth" and you're inviting us to do the work to prove that it's true, rather than proving it yourself. Just as I said.

All your crap is to do with having "truth" on your side. Give up on that and you'll immediately come across a lot better in these discussions. How can I realise the TRUTH that I'm wrong & your right since you believe TRUTH dosent exist according to philosophy? If people follow me then the fault would be on their behalf because that would only mean that they haven't researched & investigated anything but took my word for it which is an example on why I don't go to church. You don't need followers to believe that the sky is blue unless your color blind.

A person can never teach you how to defend yourself from a bully if you don't have the courage to go out and do it yourself. Learning is experiencing so if you go out & find the truth about something. You never should take a mans word on it. Otherwise its like taking your word on how I'm wrong so I will investigate that claim to find out whether its true or not & I'm never afraid to admit fault as I have did before previous times on this thread.

[effingbillgates]

If you believe all that then please debate your subjects with evidence and facts, rather than just claiming what you know is true.

[gemiwine]

I'll stop you there. If aliens exist, they exist on other planets, not "the heavens". Please try to not confuse facts with nonsense if at all possible.

All the rest - everything after where I stopped you - archfiends, fallen angels and so on: into the bin with it, for it is entirely garbage. Your words do not become "evidence" at any point, so you can get that out of your head as well.




Nope, keep working please. Since you're the one who thinks this stuff needs to be believed rather than ignored, you're the one who needs to provide the evidence to convince us.Look up the word planet in the dictionary & you wll see that the word planet in greek means wandering star. Look up the definitions of archfiend, fallen angels & you tell me what they mean since they have no meaning accrding to your definition.

I can care less if you want to ignore or it or believe. You have a brain so use it to discover & convince yourself.

[effingbillgates]

You don't understand the dictionary definitions you're reading. That's about all there is to say. If I wanted dictionary definitions of random things I'd rather sit down with a dictionary than have a discussion with you.


planet |ˈplanɪt|
noun
a celestial body moving in an elliptical orbit around a star.
• chiefly Astrology, historical a celestial body distinguished from the fixed stars by having an apparent motion of its own (including the moon and sun), esp. with reference to its supposed influence on people and events.
The nine planets of the solar system are either gas giants—Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus, and Neptune—or smaller rocky bodies—Mercury, Venus, Earth, Mars, and Pluto. The minor planets, or asteroids, orbit mainly between the orbits of Mars and Jupiter.
DERIVATIVES
planetology |ˌplaniˈtäləjē| |ˈplønəˈtɑlədʒi| |-ˈtɒlədʒi| noun
ORIGIN Middle English : from Old French planete, from late Latin planeta, planetes, from Greek planētēs ‘wanderer, planet,’ from planan ‘wander.’



I don't know why you think it's important to adhere to the ancient Greek origins of the word, and to take the term "wandering star" literally. The term comes from a time when astrological knowledge was limited. A planet is not a star. There's no argument - a planet is not a star, and our contemporary Greek friends do not say that planets are stars.

[gemiwine]

You don't understand the dictionary definitions you're reading. That's about all there is to say. If I wanted dictionary definitions of random things I'd rather sit down with a dictionary than have a discussion with you.


planet |ˈplanɪt|
noun
a celestial body moving in an elliptical orbit around a star.
• chiefly Astrology, historical a celestial body distinguished from the fixed stars by having an apparent motion of its own (including the moon and sun), esp. with reference to its supposed influence on people and events.
The nine planets of the solar system are either gas giants—Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus, and Neptune—or smaller rocky bodies—Mercury, Venus, Earth, Mars, and Pluto. The minor planets, or asteroids, orbit mainly between the orbits of Mars and Jupiter.
DERIVATIVES
planetology |ˌplaniˈtäləjē| |ˈplønəˈtɑlədʒi| |-ˈtɒlədʒi| noun
ORIGIN Middle English : from Old French planete, from late Latin planeta, planetes, from Greek planētēs ‘wanderer, planet,’ from planan ‘wander.’



I don't know why you think it's important to adhere to the ancient Greek origins of the word, and to take the term "wandering star" literally. The term comes from a time when astrological knowledge was limited. A planet is not a star. There's no argument - a planet is not a star, and our contemporary Greek friends do not say that planets are stars.Define a star since it is considered "a heavenly body, especially a planet" in the dictionary. Also explain why when you see a planet it looks just like a star? They say the 2 stars aligned with the moon is a planet.

[splat]

Google it, retard.

[splat]

Aliens are extraterrestrials that are located in the heavens which makes them celestial beings, divine in nature, angelic, cherubic & seraphic. Fallen angels used to be cherubic & seraphic but where dethrowned from heaven that are now defined as evil spirits, aliens & ghost that are immortal to this change in position since they are archfiends to the angels. Since you don't accept this as evidence you should investigate into it & find out yourself without my interpretation on it.

1- Prove that it makes them celestial. We are in the heavens too.

2- Prove that they are angelic. Do not use the bible.

3- Prove that they are immortal.

4- I have investigated it, and have come to a different conclusion. Did you not watch my youtube video? YOU have the burden of proof. So prove it.

[effingbillgates]

Google it, retard.

Exactly. It's not difficult.

You're behaving like we're in the 15th century, gemiwine.

[1313Jr.1313]

1- Prove that it makes them celestial. We are in the heavens too.

2- Prove that they are angelic. Do not use the bible.

3- Prove that they are immortal.

4- I have investigated it, and have come to a different conclusion. Did you not watch my youtube video? YOU have the burden of proof. So prove it.

this.

[gemiwine]

1- Prove that it makes them celestial. We are in the heavens too.

2- Prove that they are angelic. Do not use the bible.

3- Prove that they are immortal.

4- I have investigated it, and have come to a different conclusion. Did you not watch my youtube video? YOU have the burden of proof. So prove it.Your link had nothing to do with proving why angels aren't celestial & immortal. If you have a different conclusion then what is it? Its not that hard since your smarter than me so prove me wrong after I failed at an attempt to prove you wrong.

[splat]

Your link had nothing to do with proving why angels aren't celestial & immortal. If you have a different conclusion then what is it? Its not that hard since your smarter than me so prove me wrong after I failed at an attempt to prove you wrong.

Yes it did. It had to do with the fact that YOU need to prove it since YOU are the ne making the claim.

My conclusion is irrelevant, because I am not discussing MY conclusion. I'm discussing YOURS. Now, prove it. If you can't, then admit that you do not know the truth.

[gemiwine]

Yes it did. It had to do with the fact that YOU need to prove it since YOU are the ne making the claim.

My conclusion is irrelevant, because I am not discussing MY conclusion. I'm discussing YOURS. Now, prove it. If you can't, then admit that you do not know the truth.If that's the case then I did already proved what you asked. I won't admit I'm wrong until the dictionary changes the definitions & meanings of what I researched to be correct. I don't need any followers nor do I follow anyone unlike you who follows man made philosophy & science that engineered popular belief & culture.

[splat]

No, you did not. Your evidence was poor, for the numerous reasons listed above.

The dictionary definition refers to the metaphoric sense of star. Like how the Primordial Soup wasn't chicken noodle. It's a word used because it's something people can make a connection to. Unless they are too stupid to understand how not everything is literal. Likewise, planets do not rotate around celebrities, despite the colloquial term for them. By the way, one more definition is "a person's destiny". So if we're using the dictionary as our one and only source, then we MUST be angels and demons since our destinies, our very fates, WE are stars ourselves. How much more celestial can you get?

I don't care if you want followers or not. Your stupidity is a personal affront to my value in human intelligence.

[gemiwine]

No, you did not. Your evidence was poor, for the numerous reasons listed above.

The dictionary definition refers to the metaphoric sense of star. Like how the Primordial Soup wasn't chicken noodle. It's a word used because it's something people can make a connection to. Unless they are too stupid to understand how not everything is literal. Likewise, planets do not rotate around celebrities, despite the colloquial term for them. By the way, one more definition is "a person's destiny". So if we're using the dictionary as our one and only source, then we MUST be angels and demons since our destinies, our very fates, WE are stars ourselves. How much more celestial can you get?

I don't care if you want followers or not. Your stupidity is a personal affront to my value in human intelligence.Looking at the sky at night you couldn't tell whether those stars are planets or not so saying stars aren't planets is hard to believe even without the dictionary by visionally observing.

What is your solution to my attack on your human inteligence? Are you going to get me banned or cause my thread to be shut down? If so then this proves that I must be telling the truth despite others who feel the need to voice their authority of poor judgment on people they don't even know.

Either way you likewise didn't prove anything by showing me your background knowledge of popular belief you was indoctrinated to learn as a child giving your brain a natural aversion to anything that questions your fragile nonsense.

[splat]

Telescope, retard.

To get you to be smarter. And no, it would not prove you correct. You dislike what I say, that must make me right. So now I'm the right one. Your logic.

I have said very little on such things. And again, the things I have said are easily observable. Again, telescope, retard.

[gemiwine]

Telescope, retard.

To get you to be smarter. And no, it would not prove you correct. You dislike what I say, that must make me right. So now I'm the right one. Your logic.

I have said very little on such things. And again, the things I have said are easily observable. Again, telescope, retard.You still couldn't tell even if you bought a $10,000 telescope to see every star in the universe retard. Just because I disagree with you dosent make you right. Agreeing with your logic dosent make me smarter, it would only make me bias toward your ideas which in no way shape or form can be proven of why your cynical reasoning is true. Why should I believe you if you can't prove anything only from what you was taught in school.

[splat]

Hubble Telescope, retard. Try 2.5 Billion dollars. And put the thing in space so we don't have to deal with atmospheric interference. And we don't even need to see the whole universe to know that planets are not stars. They aren't that far away, cosmically speaking. Of course, you'd know that if you were more intelligent than the average seven year old.

According to you, it does make me right. Your disdain proves that there must be something to it. Sort of like how us ignoring you proves your point somehow? This logic is entirely fallacious, but if that's the goalpost you set up, I'm game. If you want to play by rules that are both fair and make sense, I suggest you follow actual logic.

[gemiwine]

Hubble Telescope, retard. Try 2.5 Billion dollars. And put the thing in space so we don't have to deal with atmospheric interference. And we don't even need to see the whole universe to know that planets are not stars. They aren't that far away, cosmically speaking. Of course, you'd know that if you were more intelligent than the average seven year old.

According to you, it does make me right. Your disdain proves that there must be something to it. Sort of like how us ignoring you proves your point somehow? This logic is entirely fallacious, but if that's the goalpost you set up, I'm game. If you want to play by rules that are both fair and make sense, I suggest you follow actual logic.Who has billions of dollars to waste for discovering the whole universe that is yet to be explored. I'm sure you don't which is why you yourself wouldnt know how far exacty the stars are sense you can't afford the merchandise. If there are more than 8 planets in our solar system which looks like stars from the earth & from the illumination of the sun then that means the other millions of stars are planets that are yet to be discovered sense we humans are not that advance enough to see it not even with a giant telescope.

I'm sure before we discovered planets they were considered stars before we had telescopes to view them up close which still today there are certain planets that can't be visible to the naked eye.

[splat]

They are too far away to be planets. Here's a synopsis that, once again, seven year olds know and yet you are somehow too dense to understand.

Planets reflect light. Stars give off light. We can see planets because they are close enough for the light reflected to matter at our distance. We can see stars because while they are far away, they are bright enough for us to see them. To sum it up, stars are far away but bright, and planets are dull but close. Also, stars usually DO have planets of their own. We can detect them when they make a "shadow" by passing in front of a star.

No. The Ancients knew them as planets because they were not "fixed' like stars.

[gemiwine]

Wrong. The only light planets reflect is the sun & the only light stars give off is from the sun. There are far away planets that are still being researched to be discovered as I said before the universe is infinite. 7 year olds are not taught this nor to be open minded about it in public schools since their not taught to be critical thinkers. The sun which is considered a planet gives light to everything in the universe. Also your incorrect about the ancients believing they were planets before the could see them with telescopes. Have a look http://www.universetoday.com/34360/discovery-of-the-planets/ Note that the word star came before the word planet.

Also stars are not fixed as you were taught to believe. They just appear to look fixed only because they are too far from us to see them move about the galaxy. There is nothing motionless in the universe if there is celestial navigation.
http://www.khaldea.com/rudhyar/at/at_c4_pp6.shtml

[splat]

You are retarded. Stars are the same as the sun, just farther away.

No shit. They appear fixed. however, the Ancients knew they were not stars because they didn't appear fixed- They moved to the naked eye, which meant they must be closer.

Seriously, I'm almost beyond asking you to learn. I'm tempted to tell you to just kill yourself.

[effingbillgates]

It's gemiwine refusing to acknowledge he's wrong that makes this so annoying. You insulted seven year olds earlier, splat. Most seven year olds can appreciate that they don't know lots of things, and this gives them the desire to explore. Gemiwine just wants to preach his made-up, ill-informed crap.

[1313Jr.1313]

dumbass, we once considered drilling holes in peoples' heads to be a universal cure for almost any mental problems... that doesn't make it an actual cure or effective in the least. want something closer to home? fine. in america, it used to be believed that blacks were less than people. in fact, they were considered to be less than the average dog. according to you, just because ignorant people once believed it, we should believe it today. we have already established that you are black. this leaves you in a precarious situation.

if what you say is true and that's the way logic works, we must also consider the fact that you are a black man and know that because people once believed your kind to be borderline retarded, you must be borderline retarded and the conclusions you are drawing are by default false.

if what you say is bullshit and that's not the way logic works, then black people are not the scum of the earth.

so which is it gemi? are you full of shit or are black people the scum of the earth? those are your two options and anybody with half a brain can figure out which of the two can actually be proven.

[gemiwine]

dumbass, we once considered drilling holes in peoples' heads to be a universal cure for almost any mental problems... that doesn't make it an actual cure or effective in the least. want something closer to home? fine. in america, it used to be believed that blacks were less than people. in fact, they were considered to be less than the average dog. according to you, just because ignorant people once believed it, we should believe it today. we have already established that you are black. this leaves you in a precarious situation.

if what you say is true and that's the way logic works, we must also consider the fact that you are a black man and know that because people once believed your kind to be borderline retarded, you must be borderline retarded and the conclusions you are drawing are by default false.

if what you say is bullshit and that's not the way logic works, then black people are not the scum of the earth.

so which is it gemi? are you full of shit or are black people the scum of the earth? those are your two options and anybody with half a brain can figure out which of the two can actually be proven.What does this have to do with the subject? Just because I disagree with Splat dosent make him 100% correct about anything. Insulting me dosent either & my race has nothing to do with anything. So what is your beef?

[gemiwine]

It's gemiwine refusing to acknowledge he's wrong that makes this so annoying. You insulted seven year olds earlier, splat. Most seven year olds can appreciate that they don't know lots of things, and this gives them the desire to explore. Gemiwine just wants to preach his made-up, ill-informed crap.I refuse to believe Splats made up ideas to be factual. I'm sure a lot of people disagree with his theories since he can't prove nothing except go off & call me names then wants me to kill myself. Seriously is this what y'all do when pople disagree with you? I wouldn't be suprise if you confronted someone in a physical matter then take out your frustration on that person just because they don't believe a cynic person like you.

[effingbillgates]

What does this have to do with the subject? Just because I disagree with Splat dosent make him 100% correct about anything. Insulting me dosent either & my race has nothing to do with anything. So what is your beef?

No, but the fact you're wrong about everything means you're wrong about everything.

1313Jr.1313's points are 100% to do with the subject, and you should answer him properly.

[effingbillgates]

I refuse to believe Splats made up ideas to be factual. I'm sure a lot of people disagree with his theories since he can't prove nothing except go off & call me names then wants me to kill myself. Seriously is this what y'all do when pople disagree with you? I wouldn't be suprise if you confronted someone in a physical matter then take out your frustration on that person just because they don't believe a cynic person like you.

I didn't invite you to kill yourself, and you should ignore that someone did.

Distant stars do not reflect light from the sun in our own solar system. This is not a matter of opinion; this is a fact. You are wrong and yet you keep insisting that you're right and everyone else is wrong. This is what is so annoying about you.

[gemiwine]

I didn't invite you to kill yourself, and you should ignore that someone did.

Distant stars do not reflect light from the sun in our own solar system. This is not a matter of opinion; this is a fact. You are wrong and yet you keep insisting that you're right and everyone else is wrong. This is what is so annoying about you.That is your theory. The sun is the biggest planet in the universe that gives light to everything. Stars don't bright up on their own just like planet don't either. You keep insisting that your right & everybody is wrong.

[gemiwine]

No, but the fact you're wrong about everything means you're wrong about everything.

1313Jr.1313's points are 100% to do with the subject, and you should answer him properly.You like mudo & splat are bias toward him so I don't have to answer him properly.

[effingbillgates]

I'm not biased towards him; he's right and you should answer his question. You pick all these ancient definitions for everything, and give them value only because they are ancient, and yet you ignore ancient definitions that would, according to the way you work, "prove" you to be a lesser person. It's interesting.

[effingbillgates]

That is your theory. The sun is the biggest planet in the universe that gives light to everything. Stars don't bright up on their own just like planet don't either. You keep insisting that your right & everybody is wrong.

You are beyond parody. You seem to think that the older an idea is, the more true it is.

Stars are other suns, just like ours, that give off their own light and have their own planets going around them. I love how you think this is a tiny obscure theory and that your definition is mainstream and correct.

[gemiwine]

You are beyond parody. You seem to think that the older an idea is, the more true it is.

Stars are other suns, just like ours, that give off their own light and have their own planets going around them. I love how you think this is a tiny obscure theory and that your definition is mainstream and correct. If stars were "suns" then they would have the same intense light as the sun that can be seen in the day as shining specs just as in the night regardless of its distance.

[effingbillgates]

This is getting ridiculous. I don't believe you're for real, and I'm out.

[sourmold11]

gemiwine can you please let this topic go!?!? This shit is mind boggling to me to a certain extent!

[splat]

Even the ancients knew that stars were hot and gave off their own light. Some said they were superheated plates of iron, if you take it at it's most literal value. Even by your own standards, you fail. The Ancients pity you.

[1313Jr.1313]

If stars were "suns" then they would have the same intense light as the sun that can be seen in the day as shining specs just as in the night regardless of its distance.

fuck it, YOU KIDS CAN DO THIS ONE AT HOME!!!

get two powerful flashlights (preferably mag lights) that you can see in the dark from 100 feet away. now go outside at night and turn one on then walk 100 feet away and look at it. note that the light is pretty easy to spot. now take the other light and place it about 2 inches in front of your face and turn it on pointing at your eyes. note how easy the light is to spot. now, without moving either light, try to spot the further away light. just like the stars in the sky during the day, the second flashlight is almost impossible to see while just like the sun, the first flashlight is impossible to ignore. this experiment has been brought to you by bill nye, the science guy. and remember kids, don't be stupid. common sense is a powerful thing and if you don't use it you're an idiot.

[gemiwine]

Every star in the galaxy are not suns. There are planets out there that are yet to be disovered that look like stars because their further away. Both planets & stars contain the same minerals but what makes them different is the quantities & levels of nucleus, raidiation & temperatures . Stars can produce nuclear fusions & planets can't because stars have heavier atoms which are deuterium atoms that form helium atoms like that of the sun. The greek definition of planets changed after the technology of telescopes by seeing them in a solid form instead of a ball of light like that of a star seen by the naked eye.

[1313Jr.1313]

the distance at which a planet can be seen by the naked eye is minuscule compared to the distance at which a star can be seen by the naked eye. planets and stars do NOT contain the same minerals. while they do have some elements in common, they are far from similar. what you basically said is that sheep are basically elephants, except they have different sizes and shapes as well as differing genetic makeups. also, how in god's name are you attempting to use science to prove a point after spending so much time trying to debunk it? at this point, if your previous post is right then your entire point is wrong and if your point is right then this key piece of supporting evidence is wrong which would in turn make your point wrong. also, you must realize how dumb you look arguing against something nobody has said and losing, right?

[sourmold11]

For Fuck Sakes PPL this shit is starting to get really FUCKING annoying!!!

[Mudofale]

For Fuck Sakes PPL this shit is starting to get really FUCKING annoying!!!
Your allowed to leave whenever you feel, no one is holding you to this discussion. So please kindly, exit on your left, and have a nice day.

[Mudofale]

the distance at which a planet can be seen by the naked eye is minuscule compared to the distance at which a star can be seen by the naked eye. planets and stars do NOT contain the same minerals. while they do have some elements in common, they are far from similar. what you basically said is that sheep are basically elephants, except they have different sizes and shapes as well as differing genetic makeups. also, how in god's name are you attempting to use science to prove a point after spending so much time trying to debunk it? at this point, if your previous post is right then your entire point is wrong and if your point is right then this key piece of supporting evidence is wrong which would in turn make your point wrong. also, you must realize how dumb you look arguing against something nobody has said and losing, right?
Ill take it the topic switched to planets and suns in the week I was gone, unfortunate I missed most of it. Didn't bother reading all of it, because frankly... I could ask my 3 year old nephew what a sun is and it would probably make more sense then whatever gibberish he is spewing.

But none the less, I did read his last post. And I shall sum up why you are wrong about the difference between suns and planets. Planets generate ZERO light, they have no spectrum that is visible with the naked eye. You can not see a planet around a black hole, and you want to know why? Because planets do not generate light, UNLESS, and this is a massive unless. Theory crafting, as scientist and astrologist do, a planet could generate it's own form of light such as certain bacteria do, IF it is comprised of some sort of mineral that radiates pure forms of energy. Nothing found on earth though, so it would be element X. While on the other hand a sun generates light because it is constantly under going a form of nuclear fission, where it is changing from one form to another. From these things happening constantly over millions of years, it gives off massive amounts of energy in the form of light and heat, which is why we are alive to this day. Now, for the black hole idea again, if you placed a black hole in the general area of a planet it would tear it apart, but you wouldn't see a single thing happen. Now, with a sun on the other hand, would see light being bent in all directions, not sure how a black hole works so I won't go into great detail.

[Mudofale]

A common miss-conception is that the moon makes the night time bright. While in actuality, the sun is reflecting off the surface of the moon, that is why at times the moon appears yellowish, or orange. Same would happen if you had a red sun, or a blue sun, or a green sun. Although, at the same time, who knows. Light is a tricky topic when perception comes into play. Color blind people may not see a yellow moon, but if it was green it may appear yellow. Im no doctor, nor am I a scientist, so do not take my word for it.

[gemiwine]

I had trouble login in which is why It took me long to reply.

I don't believe every star in the universe is a sun. The star that aligns with the moon is actually a planet. A planet can be seen like a star from the suns reflection just like the moon. Even scientist to this day still are researching on what stars are. Planets & stars do give off energy but stars give off more because just like the sun it has more quantities of atoms, electrons & energy to generate an energy of light whereas a planet dosent have enough energy etc to do the same. I don't disagree that stars give out their own light from nuclear fusion after doing research. I just don't think its neccessaryto say that every star in the universe is a sun.

[splat]

It is, to put it simply. Nuclear fusion equals big fireball. Big fireball equals sun. Sun equals star.

[Mudofale]

The star that aligns with the moon is actually a planet.

You sir are possibly thee dumbest person I have ever had the misfortune of conversing with. That statement alone just... So many things wrong with it, nothing you can say after that statement would even validate it, so I didn't even bother reading any further. So you're telling me, a planet, is giving off so much energy that it could create and sustain enough life to last for millions of years (not saying the sun it's self, but the amount of energy it gives off). I just... Please pick up a physic's for dumbies book and read it over, or a astro-physic's book. Or google "Light" and see what it tells you. You will be shocked how it works, and dun-founded at how easy it is to determine a sun from a planet. Not even going to bother explaining the difference between it's so glaring and so many things it pains me to think about it.

You continue to theory craft these non-sensible idea's that sound like a complete idiot talking... If you do not understand how it works, stop trying to make it out to be something else. Simple as that. We understand you can not comprehend science, now leave it at that and move on.

[Mudofale]

Another simple experiment, put your hand infront of the sun, on a clear day. Feel the heat? You should, seek a doctor if you don't. Now, wait for the moon to come out. Put your hand up infront of the moon. Feel the cold air? You should, or at least the air temprature around your hand. Want to know why? Planets don't radiate massive amounts of light that give off large heat signatures. The sun? Big beautiful ball of light and heat. Simple experiment really.

If we want to continue to theory craft, then yes. Not every star we see (or think we see) is a sun. But with that being said, what kind of creature could survive on a planet that is giving off enough radiation to kill off every life form within millions of miles of it? Not saying it's impossible, but hard to percieve as an actual fact. How would that planet have an atmosphere? How would that planet sustain? What would happen if that planet died? My guess, same thing a sun does when it dies.

[gemiwine]

You sir are possibly thee dumbest person I have ever had the misfortune of conversing with. That statement alone just... So many things wrong with it, nothing you can say after that statement would even validate it, so I didn't even bother reading any further. So you're telling me, a planet, is giving off so much energy that it could create and sustain enough life to last for millions of years (not saying the sun it's self, but the amount of energy it gives off). I just... Please pick up a physic's for dumbies book and read it over, or a astro-physic's book. Or google "Light" and see what it tells you. You will be shocked how it works, and dun-founded at how easy it is to determine a sun from a planet. Not even going to bother explaining the difference between it's so glaring and so many things it pains me to think about it.

You continue to theory craft these non-sensible idea's that sound like a complete idiot talking... If you do not understand how it works, stop trying to make it out to be something else. Simple as that. We understand you can not comprehend science, now leave it at that and move on.So you saying that bright light that's aligned with the moon is a star not a planet?

Everything gives off energy & heat including humans. Stars give off an extreme massive amount of energy which creates light. Its not hard to understand so how is this simple concept a theory? Do you agree that everything gives off some source of energy or heat? Even cold tempartures is another form of energy or am I wrong again?

[sourmold11]

Your allowed to leave whenever you feel, no one is holding you to this discussion. So please kindly, exit on your left, and have a nice day.
LMFAO! I must have had a bad day and decided to take it out on you guys sorry for that outburst!!!

[splat]

The difference between the two is that a planet is not in a state of nuclear fusion, and the chemical composition.

Do you not agree that planets and stars are different? Sure, bodies give off heat, the planet's core gives off heat, and it could be argued that atomic friction gives off heat. But do you not agree that a flame is hotter than an object that is not a flame? All stars are made of flame, they are under nuclear fusion and are made of explosively fusing atoms. Planets are not.

And you are wrong about cold. Cold is simply a lack of heat, or a lack of motion. Absolute zero is a state of cold to the extent where nothing can move or react. Heat comes from particules rubbing on each other, and absolute zero is where the atoms can't move to rub against each other, resulting in zero heat, or absolute cold.

[gemiwine]

The only difference between planets & stars is the fact that stars give off more heat than planets. It takes energy to cool something down. Of curse cold isnot heat but that doent mean it isn't energy. Propane gas is very cold yet it gives off energy. Dry ice can burn you like fire. If I'm soak & wet while riding in the wind on a motorcycle I will be feeling freezing cold. If I ride in the cold by the time I get off the bike I'm heated up. Basically heat is positive energy & cold is negative energy. I'm sure you know this.

[splat]

No.

It takes energy to cool something down because energy is needed to pull the heat off of matter and move it somewhere else.

Propane is cold? Not when it's on fire.

Dry ice "burns" because it chills things around it- It leeches heat into itself and freezes the matter it comes in contact with. The rapid freezing of tissue results in a "burn".

Here's how it works- All matter has energy on it. Whenever particles run together, they pass on energy. If one particle has more energy than another, the one with more gives off more energy due to the Second Law of Thermodynamics. This basically means that hot gives heat to cold, but something cold can't give heat to something hot. Nature tends to create an equilibrium. That's why ice in water eventually melts and makes the whole glass the same lukewarm temperature. Temperature seeks balance. That's what is happening when you are chilled by wind- Air molecules are bombarding you, and since they are usually colder than you, as they impact, they are literally tearing energy off of you and taking it with them.

If it's cold, since a motorcycle generates heat, the heat flows to you since you are colder than the bike.

[Mudofale]

The only difference between planets & stars is the fact that stars give off more heat than planets. It takes energy to cool something down. Of curse cold isnot heat but that doent mean it isn't energy. Propane gas is very cold yet it gives off energy. Dry ice can burn you like fire. If I'm soak & wet while riding in the wind on a motorcycle I will be feeling freezing cold. If I ride in the cold by the time I get off the bike I'm heated up. Basically heat is positive energy & cold is negative energy. I'm sure you know this.
You still fail to understand the structure of a planet. Do you know why they removed Pluto from the list of "Official Planets"? Ill wait for your response on that one.

A planet is heated at it's core NOT because of nuclear fission occurring millions of times a second, as a matter of fact, when a planet forms it is molten hot. Yes, similar to the sun, but not even close to the temperature. And from that point on the planet is in a constant state of cooling down towards the core. Why is that? Because at the core everything is compressed down do to gravity, and other heavy objects forcing it's way towards the center. These objects generate HEAT by the simple fact of moving under such a great pressure, also the earth maintains it's heat because of the great amount of pressure and gravity at it's core. And the sun you ask? The sun is not cooling off, why is that? Because if the sun started to cool off we would be in some serious trouble. At the suns core is where most of the nuclear fission is happening. At a planets core? At the earths core is a solid rock, or a solid ball. Mostly comprised of nickel and iron, densely packed.


Splat summed up what I was going to say better for the second part, so I just removed it.

[splat]

The law that entropy always increases holds, I think, the supreme position among the laws of Nature. If someone points out to you that your pet theory of the universe is in disagreement with Maxwell's equations — then so much the worse for Maxwell's equations. If it is found to be contradicted by observation — well, these experimentalists do bungle things sometimes. But if your theory is found to be against the second law of thermodynamics I can give you no hope; there is nothing for it but to collapse in deepest humiliation.
—Sir Arthur Stanley Eddington, The Nature of the Physical World (1927)

[Mudofale]

I was actually going to talk about magnetic fields, but thats a post for another day.

[gemiwine]

@splat
Why don't you agree that cold & freezing temperatures are measured as negative substances of energy?

@Mudo
I do understand the difference. I never said planets give off nuclear fusion. I only stated that stars give off more heat than planets but that dosent mean every star or bright light in the universe is a sun which could be a planet.

If the star that's aligned to the moon at night that is brighter then the other stars is not a planet then what is it?

[1313Jr.1313]

... stars are not planets.

[effingbillgates]

You still fail to understand the structure of a planet. Do you know why they removed Pluto from the list of "Official Planets"? Ill wait for your response on that one.

A planet is heated at it's core NOT because of nuclear fission occurring millions of times a second, as a matter of fact, when a planet forms it is molten hot. Yes, similar to the sun, but not even close to the temperature. And from that point on the planet is in a constant state of cooling down towards the core. Why is that? Because at the core everything is compressed down do to gravity, and other heavy objects forcing it's way towards the center. These objects generate HEAT by the simple fact of moving under such a great pressure, also the earth maintains it's heat because of the great amount of pressure and gravity at it's core. And the sun you ask? The sun is not cooling off, why is that? Because if the sun started to cool off we would be in some serious trouble. At the suns core is where most of the nuclear fission is happening. At a planets core? At the earths core is a solid rock, or a solid ball. Mostly comprised of nickel and iron, densely packed.


Splat summed up what I was going to say better for the second part, so I just removed it.


I thought that nuclear fission is what occurs at the centre of our earth, while nuclear fusion is what occurs in suns.

[splat]

Gemwine- Because they are not. Cold is simply a lack of heat, with the maximum "cold" simply being the minimum heat. Maximum cold, by the way, is known as Absolute Zero, which is a point at which no action can take place.

Also, nothing- NOTHING "Gives off" nuclear fusion. Nuclear fusion is a process. That would be like water "giving off" flowing, or a rock "giving off" cracking. Nuclear fusion is what makes a star a star- It produces a hugely hot, massive fireball, which gives off the light you see. Planets do not give off light. The only reason we see planets is because they are close enough to reflect light from the sun. Several of our own planets actually can't be seen from Earth with the naked eye. Anything further away MUST be giving off MASSIVE amounts of light for us to see it.

To sum it up for your pathetic brain to grasp- Stars are big balls of fire. Planets are not. We can see fire from farther away than something that isn't fire. Stars are really, really far away. So for us to see anything farther than our own solar system, it must be a star, which is fire.

Effing- No. The core of the earth is not under a process of nuclear fission OR fusion. It's simply hot and dense, but not to a nuclear state. Fission is the splitting of atoms to release the pent up energy. Fusion is the fusing of atoms to release pent up energy, and requires more energy than fission to initiate. Both of these result in explosions, and the center of the earth isn't exploding.

[Mudofale]

@splat
Why don't you agree that cold & freezing temperatures are measured as negative substances of energy?

@Mudo
I do understand the difference. I never said planets give off nuclear fusion. I only stated that stars give off more heat than planets but that dosent mean every star or bright light in the universe is a sun which could be a planet.

If the star that's aligned to the moon at night that is brighter then the other stars is not a planet then what is it?

You keep saying that, but for some reason you fail to understand how energy works, if a planet is as bright as a sun then there has to be some sort of chemical reaction going on in or on that planet to generate that much light, and with that light a massive amount of heat. How many planets generate that much light, have such a large magnetic field, give off that much radiation (which goes hand and hand with that large amount of energy being released). I mean, you can't just make these wild theories without taking into account EVERYTHING. Thats how science works.

[Mudofale]

I thought that nuclear fission is what occurs at the centre of our earth, while nuclear fusion is what occurs in suns.
Yeah my bad, I got the two mixed up. Like I said, I am not a scientist.

[Mudofale]

Gemwine- Because they are not. Cold is simply a lack of heat, with the maximum "cold" simply being the minimum heat. Maximum cold, by the way, is known as Absolute Zero, which is a point at which no action can take place.

Also, nothing- NOTHING "Gives off" nuclear fusion. Nuclear fusion is a process. That would be like water "giving off" flowing, or a rock "giving off" cracking. Nuclear fusion is what makes a star a star- It produces a hugely hot, massive fireball, which gives off the light you see. Planets do not give off light. The only reason we see planets is because they are close enough to reflect light from the sun. Several of our own planets actually can't be seen from Earth with the naked eye. Anything further away MUST be giving off MASSIVE amounts of light for us to see it.

To sum it up for your pathetic brain to grasp- Stars are big balls of fire. Planets are not. We can see fire from farther away than something that isn't fire. Stars are really, really far away. So for us to see anything farther than our own solar system, it must be a star, which is fire.

Effing- No. The core of the earth is not under a process of nuclear fission OR fusion. It's simply hot and dense, but not to a nuclear state. Fission is the splitting of atoms to release the pent up energy. Fusion is the fusing of atoms to release pent up energy, and requires more energy than fission to initiate. Both of these result in explosions, and the center of the earth isn't exploding.
But I thought the center of the earth was going through radioactive decay, which is a factor of nuclear fission.

[effingbillgates]

Relatively recent studies reckon that nuclear fission happens beneath the earth's crust. But I'm no scientist myself:

http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/observations/2011/07/18/nuclear-fission-confirmed-as-source-of-more-than-half-of-earths-heat/ (http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/observations/2011/07/18/nuclear-fission-confirmed-as-source-of-more-than-half-of-earths-heat/)

[effingbillgates]

I only stated that stars give off more heat than planets but that dosent mean every star or bright light in the universe is a sun which could be a planet.

You wouldn't be able to see a planet that was as far away as the stars. The planets in our solar system are comparably very close and are reflecting light from our sun. All those stars in the night sky are giving off their own light because they are suns. They may have planets going around them, but they're not visible because they are too far away.




If the star that's aligned to the moon at night that is brighter then the other stars is not a planet then what is it?

What are you talking about here? Stars are not "aligned to the moon". Stars are in completely different and unrelated orbits to our moon, and are millions of light years away.

[Mudofale]

You wouldn't be able to see a planet that was as far away as the stars. The planets in our solar system are comparably very close and are reflecting light from our sun. All those stars in the night sky are giving off their own light because they are suns. They may have planets going around them, but they're not visible because they are too far away.


What are you talking about here? Stars are not "aligned to the moon". Stars are in completely different and unrelated orbits to our moon, and are millions of light years away.

Correction, stars don't orbit. They do move however. Orbit infers there is a gravitational pull. And a object is forcing the sun to orbit it, then that object must be massive.

[effingbillgates]

Correction, stars don't orbit. They do move however. Orbit infers there is a gravitational pull. And a object is forcing the sun to orbit it, then that object must be massive.

That's true.

[splat]

Radioactive decay isn't exactly fission. It's more like... radioactive decay.

[gemiwine]

You wouldn't be able to see a planet that was as far away as the stars. The planets in our solar system are comparably very close and are reflecting light from our sun. All those stars in the night sky are giving off their own light because they are suns. They may have planets going around them, but they're not visible because they are too far away.




What are you talking about here? Stars are not "aligned to the moon". Stars are in completely different and unrelated orbits to our moon, and are millions of light years away.You can see planets at night http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8br4JiFEik

A couple of months ago there were two planets that were aligned with the moon at night. You must of never paid any attention to it otherwise you would understand what I'm talking about. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uz-8oJBkcik

[splat]

You can see planets at night http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8br4JiFEik

A couple of months ago there were two planets that were aligned with the moon at night. You must of never paid any attention to it otherwise you would understand what I'm talking about. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uz-8oJBkcik


Planets WITHIN OUR SOLAR SYSTEM are close enough to be seen with the naked eye because they are close enough for the light they reflect from the sun to matter. Some of the planets IN OUR SOLAR SYSTEM are too far away to bee seen by the naked eye, because reflected light is not as strong as CREATED light. Neptune and Pluto are invisible to the naked eye, ant they're still in our solar system. The nearest solar system that is not our own is BILLIONS of miles away. If we can't see far enough to see our own solar system, how do you think we could see theirs? The ONLY way we can see ANYTHING outside of our solar system with the naked eye is if it is made of fire.

Seriously, how does someone get so stupid?

[Mudofale]

Planets WITHIN OUR SOLAR SYSTEM are close enough to be seen with the naked eye because they are close enough for the light they reflect from the sun to matter. Some of the planets IN OUR SOLAR SYSTEM are too far away to bee seen by the naked eye, because reflected light is not as strong as CREATED light. Neptune and Pluto are invisible to the naked eye, ant they're still in our solar system. The nearest solar system that is not our own is BILLIONS of miles away. If we can't see far enough to see our own solar system, how do you think we could see theirs? The ONLY way we can see ANYTHING outside of our solar system with the naked eye is if it is made of fire.

Seriously, how does someone get so stupid?

I said it once, ill say it again. The guy is obviously trolling us. No one can be this stupid and dense at the same time. He doesn't understand how light works, such a simple concept... not even how light exist and the structure of it (thats a lot more complex and a lesson for another day) but the simple fact of LIGHT and SHADOWS and REFLECTIONS. I mean come on... If I turn off all the lights and try and find my wallet, it'll bump around for awhile just to find it, and it still isn't guaranteed to be my wallet. But if I take a flash light and shine it on my wallet, I can see the light illuminating it. Not trying to direct this at you, just two separate comments in one single post.

The only thing I will give him, and this is just theory crafting, is if a planet somehow had enough energy to generate massive amounts of light that would be visible from out solar system, and that is a huge IF. If we can see the planet (and the light source) from our solar system, then A.) That planet is hundreds of times larger then the sun, and B.) That planet is hundreds of times brighter then our sun. How would this exist? Who knows, we haven't discovered that many elements, so maybe there are some out their that radiate light. Plausable? Not even close.

I also believe he doesn't realize that the stars we see in the night time sky, (like most people) are mostly stars that are in the milky way galaxy, (at least the visible ones for the most part). There are outer lying stars visible still, but they are a lot more faint. Truely is extrodinary to think about the universe as a whole system. So massive that you couldn't even visit 1/1000000000 of it in a single life time, even if you could move at speeds equal to or greater then the speed of light.

[gemiwine]

It still dosen't grasp the idea that every bright light we see at night are all stars. I'm not saying stars aren't suns but every single bright light we see at night are not all stars. I never said planets give off their own light yet we can still see them at night.

I'm not in disagreement that cold means lack of heat yet it dosen't mean cold isn't another source of energy. If it lacks of positive energy which is heat then I don't see why its not negative energy. You can call it a theory based on your definition.

Thinking outside the box dosent make one an idiot because I rather not believe everything to be true since its all accepted as popular belief amongst sheep & funded by the rich & wealthy.

[splat]

Everything that we can see in the sky is a star, which is a sun, with the exception of a few planets in our own solar system, the occasional comet, or meteorites as they burn in the stratosphere. Again, with the last three, it's only because they're really close to us and reflecting light from the sun. Except for meteorites, which are on fire.

It is not another source of energy. If it is, then I ask you, what does "cold" power? All engines give off heat- Either as a bi-product, or as their actual source of energy in steam-based motors. Pure "cold' is just zero heat, it is a LACK of energy. How can you not grasp this?

You're not thinking outside the box. You're spewing brain vomit and then sucking it up with a straw and calling it a new diet. let me give you an example. Gravity doesn't exist. We're all just holding on because of little velcro-particles in our skin.

The sky is actually made of blue fabric that a team of stealthy painters covers with black every night. You can tell because the sky gradually gets darker, not all of a sudden, and painting takes time.

Water is actually solid. That's why it hurts to do a belly-flop. When we think we're drinking water, we're actually eating it, but we are brainwashed by the government to think we aren't when we are born.

I totally did research on these. They're absolutely true. If you disagree, you must be a sheep, because you think too inside the box.

Again, sarcasm. Is your brother also your father?

[1313Jr.1313]

Everything that we can see in the sky is a star, which is a sun, with the exception of a few planets in our own solar system, the occasional comet, or meteorites as they burn in the stratosphere. Again, with the last three, it's only because they're really close to us and reflecting light from the sun. Except for meteorites, which are on fire.

It is not another source of energy. If it is, then I ask you, what does "cold" power? All engines give off heat- Either as a bi-product, or as their actual source of energy in steam-based motors. Pure "cold' is just zero heat, it is a LACK of energy. How can you not grasp this?

You're not thinking outside the box. You're spewing brain vomit and then sucking it up with a straw and calling it a new diet. let me give you an example. Gravity doesn't exist. We're all just holding on because of little velcro-particles in our skin.

The sky is actually made of blue fabric that a team of stealthy painters covers with black every night. You can tell because the sky gradually gets darker, not all of a sudden, and painting takes time.

Water is actually solid. That's why it hurts to do a belly-flop. When we think we're drinking water, we're actually eating it, but we are brainwashed by the government to think we aren't when we are born.

I totally did research on these. They're absolutely true. If you disagree, you must be a sheep, because you think too inside the box.

Again, sarcasm. Is your brother also your father?
so what you're saying is that aside from the 5 planets we can potentially see, they are all stars?

[gemiwine]

You were taught to accept that every star in the sky is a sun. I won't hold on to that as a fact since you nor any human has physically traveled the galaxies to discover this instead of making assumption which is hat science is.

It takes energy to cool & freeze things so it can't be a lack of energy but again you were taught to accept things without questioning.

[1313Jr.1313]

You were taught to accept that every star in the sky is a sun. I won't hold on to that as a fact since you nor any human has physically traveled the galaxies to discover this instead of making assumption which is hat science is.

It takes energy to cool & freeze things so it can't be a lack of energy but again you were taught to accept things without questioning.

this is just you not understanding what is said and refusing to look it up yourself. congrats, some of us are smart enough to realize you're just being ignorant.

[splat]

Again, it's already been explained. You're just an idiot.

It only takes energy to do so because we have to leech the heat to somewhere else. As in, make something else hot. As in, using energy. Feel the back of an air conditioner. It's hot. Feel the back of your fridge. It's hot. Ever notice how when it's sunny, it's hot? And when the sun isn't there (meaning a lack of energy) it gets cold? Apparently you were taught with a flight of stairs to the skull. I question, and I question a great deal. But you have no evidence. The only evidence you think you have is, quite simply, stupid. It is based on you not understanding how things work in the first place. You are stupid, and your evidence is stupid.

[effingbillgates]

You were taught to accept that every star in the sky is a sun. I won't hold on to that as a fact since you nor any human has physically traveled the galaxies to discover this instead of making assumption which is hat science is.

It takes energy to cool & freeze things so it can't be a lack of energy but again you were taught to accept things without questioning.

It takes effort to learn things, and you haven't bothered to learn things. You feel threatened by people who have bothered to research, so you call them brainwashed sheep who never questioned things they were taught as children. Learning involves questioning all the time. It's not possible to learn without questioning. You should try it some time.

Anyway, splat said it better further up the page. It's not that you're thinking outside the box. You're just ignorant.

[Mudofale]

It still dosen't grasp the idea that every bright light we see at night are all stars. I'm not saying stars aren't suns but every single bright light we see at night are not all stars. I never said planets give off their own light yet we can still see them at night.


I'm not in disagreement that cold means lack of heat yet it dosen't mean cold isn't another source of energy. If it lacks of positive energy which is heat then I don't see why its not negative energy. You can call it a theory based on your definition.

Thinking outside the box dosent make one an idiot because I rather not believe everything to be true since its all accepted as popular belief amongst sheep & funded by the rich & wealthy.

There is a difference between believing everything you hear, and being a complete idiot. You are a complete idiot, you can not accept that fact that someone can prove someone to you. If the sun were to destroy your eyes, preventing you from being able to see, would you believe it is real? I mean seriously, you are the kind of person who would say "Getting shot doesn't hurt" and until someone shoots you in the face you will keep on walking around believing that because you do not believe facts are facts. History is written by the victor, so history can be seen as facts mixed in with opinion. But science? Science is written by intelligent minds who spend their entire life devoted to getting the TRUTH. There is something we use in science called the scientific method, if you can not reproduce results using this basic concept then it is not a scientific law. Light and the conservation of energy has been proven millions of times each year. Yet for some reason you are calling every scientist, including Einstein, wrong? Your stupidity vexes me to the point where I feel sorry for you.

If you throw out every single fact that exisit in this universe and create your own dynamic rules, what would you do first? Hypothesis, which is what your doing now, except you are going from Hypothesis strait to Conclusion. The sun, it gives off light. Planets do no create their own light source. How can you prove that?
Take earth for a simple example. If I were to put a large sign up in the middle of a desert and travel 5 miles away, would I be able to see it in the middle of the night, on a lunar eclipse? No. Why is that? There is no light revealing this object for my eyes to see. Now, if I take that same sign and places very bright flood lights on it and traveled 5 miles away, same condition, I would very clearly be able to see the lights coming from that sign, I may not be able to read it, but I damn sure will be able to see it.

Now if we actually get in depth on light spectrums, then we will be able to determine the value of the sun. Our sun is a yellow dwarf, simply because of it's size and it's placement on the light spectrum, it is between yellow and green, which is about mid-ground on the light spectrum. In order for something to emitt light it must have a souce, that source is called energy. Energy comes in many different forms, but the two most common forms are LIGHT and HEAT, both of which are major characteristics of the sun. If you do not want to take my word for it, then you can easily prove this to be true.
Take your fingers and rub them together until they feel warm. What did you just do? You created friction by rubbing your fingers together and by doing so used ENERGY to generate HEAT. You see that? Now light on the other hand is lost and transfered throughout the universe. Light is visible when photons reach your eyes (for simple termonology) and you percieve this light and your brain creates a picture using the information it recieve, similar to a camera taking a picture.
Now, when these photons come in contact with an object then can do a magnitude of visible things. One of those things being, passing through the object and appearing on the other side. If this occurs, then the electrons in that object have enough energy to pass the photons onto the next level. But, when you see a shadow, the photons are absorbed into the object because they can not be passed onto the next level. Now I bet you are asking, what does this have to do with Suns and Planets? I am getting to that part.

In order for these photons not to get lost in the void of space (not actually lost) they must come in contact with an object. When the photons come in contact with that object they illuminate it because the photons are not passing through, so they are being trapped. That is why planets have a dark side if the light source is only on one side. Now, shadows. Which is the lack of light, are formed in the opposite facing side of objects that have a direct light on them. Why does the sun not have a shadow? Because the sun is creating in all directions because it is a spherical object. Planets, have a shadow. Why is that? Because light is not visible on all sides of the planet at the same time. Now, if an object is generating its own light, then it must be generating a certain amount of heat. Why is that? Because heat is a by-product of light.

Losing my train of thought as I am typing this, pretty early in the morning and I haven't gone to sleep yet, so I will resume this basic optic's lesson when I return. (Probably has a ton of mistakes, but I am pretty tired as I already said)

I remember I asked my mom how a refrigerator works when I was 7, she took me to the library to look it up in a book, and that was when I started to question the world and find answers to even the most basic things in life. I am still completely clueless, and am frequently wrong, but at least I can admit to my follies.

[gemiwine]

@13 It obviously dosent make you that smart if it takes 3 people including you to make a point across one idiot.

@splat Every scientist in the world does not agree that every star we see at night are not, keyword all
suns. It takes energy to hold molecules in place just as it takes energy to hold anything in place. I couldn't find any evidence of cold being a lack of energy so once again that would make you wrong about it.

@eff I never felt the need to be threated by someones own research to call them a brainwashed sheep. You have to question more than just the teacher in order to learn & not rely on one witness in order to understand things. I'm only ignorant by your definition that dosent regard my everyday life sense you can't grasp on what I know & don't know which makes you ignorant of me because you dont know who I am.

[gemiwine]

There is a difference between believing everything you hear, and being a complete idiot. You are a complete idiot, you can not accept that fact that someone can prove someone to you. If the sun were to destroy your eyes, preventing you from being able to see, would you believe it is real? I mean seriously, you are the kind of person who would say "Getting shot doesn't hurt" and until someone shoots you in the face you will keep on walking around believing that because you do not believe facts are facts. History is written by the victor, so history can be seen as facts mixed in with opinion. But science? Science is written by intelligent minds who spend their entire life devoted to getting the TRUTH. There is something we use in science called the scientific method, if you can not reproduce results using this basic concept then it is not a scientific law. Light and the conservation of energy has been proven millions of times each year. Yet for some reason you are calling every scientist, including Einstein, wrong? Your stupidity vexes me to the point where I feel sorry for you.

If you throw out every single fact that exisit in this universe and create your own dynamic rules, what would you do first? Hypothesis, which is what your doing now, except you are going from Hypothesis strait to Conclusion. The sun, it gives off light. Planets do no create their own light source. How can you prove that?
Take earth for a simple example. If I were to put a large sign up in the middle of a desert and travel 5 miles away, would I be able to see it in the middle of the night, on a lunar eclipse? No. Why is that? There is no light revealing this object for my eyes to see. Now, if I take that same sign and places very bright flood lights on it and traveled 5 miles away, same condition, I would very clearly be able to see the lights coming from that sign, I may not be able to read it, but I damn sure will be able to see it.

Now if we actually get in depth on light spectrums, then we will be able to determine the value of the sun. Our sun is a yellow dwarf, simply because of it's size and it's placement on the light spectrum, it is between yellow and green, which is about mid-ground on the light spectrum. In order for something to emitt light it must have a souce, that source is called energy. Energy comes in many different forms, but the two most common forms are LIGHT and HEAT, both of which are major characteristics of the sun. If you do not want to take my word for it, then you can easily prove this to be true.
Take your fingers and rub them together until they feel warm. What did you just do? You created friction by rubbing your fingers together and by doing so used ENERGY to generate HEAT. You see that? Now light on the other hand is lost and transfered throughout the universe. Light is visible when photons reach your eyes (for simple termonology) and you percieve this light and your brain creates a picture using the information it recieve, similar to a camera taking a picture.
Now, when these photons come in contact with an object then can do a magnitude of visible things. One of those things being, passing through the object and appearing on the other side. If this occurs, then the electrons in that object have enough energy to pass the photons onto the next level. But, when you see a shadow, the photons are absorbed into the object because they can not be passed onto the next level. Now I bet you are asking, what does this have to do with Suns and Planets? I am getting to that part.

In order for these photons not to get lost in the void of space (not actually lost) they must come in contact with an object. When the photons come in contact with that object they illuminate it because the photons are not passing through, so they are being trapped. That is why planets have a dark side if the light source is only on one side. Now, shadows. Which is the lack of light, are formed in the opposite facing side of objects that have a direct light on them. Why does the sun not have a shadow? Because the sun is creating in all directions because it is a spherical object. Planets, have a shadow. Why is that? Because light is not visible on all sides of the planet at the same time. Now, if an object is generating its own light, then it must be generating a certain amount of heat. Why is that? Because heat is a by-product of light.

Losing my train of thought as I am typing this, pretty early in the morning and I haven't gone to sleep yet, so I will resume this basic optic's lesson when I return. (Probably has a ton of mistakes, but I am pretty tired as I already said)

I remember I asked my mom how a refrigerator works when I was 7, she took me to the library to look it up in a book, and that was when I started to question the world and find answers to even the most basic things in life. I am still completely clueless, and am frequently wrong, but at least I can admit to my follies.Nice work Mudo but I already said before I don't disagree that planets don't give out light & stars do. Every scientist in the world are not 100% correct nor is science itself 100% correct. There's some things that science can prove & can't. For instance science can't prevent the sun from getting closer to earth nor prevent a solar flare to happen nor pretty much save humanity from destruction. I understand your faith & devotion for the religion with early scientist we had over the centuries that created things that became an advantage & disadvantage to modern life as we know it but I don't see it further progressing toward a positive solution to help make the world "a better place."

To say science helps us discover the "truth" is kinda critical since it has more of a reputation for lies & crafting.

[effingbillgates]

@eff I never felt the need to be threated by someones own research to call them a brainwashed sheep. You have to question more than just the teacher in order to learn & not rely on one witness in order to understand things. I'm only ignorant by your definition that dosent regard my everyday life sense you can't grasp on what I know & don't know which makes you ignorant of me because you dont know who I am.

The problem here is that I suspect you don't really know what a teacher is, or what witnessing is, or what everyday life is, or what ignorance is. Basically, you're just throwing random words together in an attempt to make sentences, and they're all mostly gobbledegook. If you have a point of any kind then please wake me up when you want to make it.

[gemiwine]

The problem here is that I suspect you don't really know what a teacher is, or what witnessing is, or what everyday life is, or what ignorance is. Basically, you're just throwing random words together in an attempt to make sentences, and they're all mostly gobbledegook. If you have a point of any kind then please wake me up when you want to make it.Basically when your taught on a certain subject you can't rely on just learning & witnessing one persons own experience on it. You have to question other teachers & witness other peoples experience on it to find out the facts or the flaws of it. For example, If you want to be the ultimate fighter (no not UFC) then you have to learn more than one style of martial arts & can't rely on learning just one style taught by one master in order to better understand of what being an ultimate fighter is all about.

[1313Jr.1313]

@13 It obviously dosent make you that smart if it takes 3 people including you to make a point across one idiot.
i want you to reread that a few times.

[effingbillgates]

Basically when your taught on a certain subject you can't rely on just learning & witnessing one persons own experience on it. You have to question other teachers & witness other peoples experience on it to find out the facts or the flaws of it. For example, If you want to be the ultimate fighter (no not UFC) then you have to learn more than one style of martial arts & can't rely on learning just one style taught by one master in order to better understand of what being an ultimate fighter is all about.

Yeah, no shit. Why do you think I don't know this? You're saying that like you think it's profound.

Do you think you are displaying a broad understanding of lots of subjects, and are open to all kinds of non-conservative ideas and points of view? You're really not. You couldn't be more limited in intellectual and imaginative scope. You reject things not because you understand and don't agree with them, but because you don't understand them.

[gemiwine]

Yeah, no shit. Why do you think I don't know this? You're saying that like you think it's profound.

Do you think you are displaying a broad understanding of lots of subjects, and are open to all kinds of non-conservative ideas and points of view? You're really not. You couldn't be more limited in intellectual and imaginative scope. You reject things not because you understand and don't agree with them, but because you don't understand them.Yes. An example that some people say God exist & some say they don't yet I look at evidence of both sides & come to an understanding of whether it's true or not. Another example will be the hexagram that is used to curse or put hexes on people to bring misfortune & terror yet some say its not true as well. So I look up the definition of hexagram then break the whole word down then look up hex which in definition confirms it of being a symbol of crafting. Then I hear the other side of the story from a person who says its not true yet I come to the different results than the first one therefore making it true & not false. So you out of many that I have come across in arguments call me less intellectual based off of disagreeing with the same views as you but you just can't see that your not entirely correct about everything because you refuse to question your own beliefs & investigate more into it to keep finding out whether its true or not no matter how long it takes. The things you mention sometimes are correct & not & you my friend are not the more intelligent person if everyone is not in tuned to the same thoughts as yours. There's many flaws I have been taught by many people, teachers & preachers that took me years to find out the real truth behind it that contradicts the indoctrinations.

[effingbillgates]

What you're really saying there is that you look at two options and pick the one that makes most sense to you.

I'm not going to say anything about why you personally are tending to pick an easy option over another more difficult one, because it's not relevant.

But you should know that everyone goes through the process of analysing things, not just you. You have this idea that people who think that suns are not the same as planets, and that Darwin made some very worthwhile observations, have not had this same personal process, and that they have simply accepted something that was fed to them in childhood before they were thinking. Your interpretation that everyone apart from you is simply following indoctrinations is very rude and wrong, gemiwine.

[splat]

Not to mention, your method is flawed. You break down the words, which is stupid. You are stupid. You gather evidence which is irrelevant, and then use faulty logic (If two people disagree, the one making the positive claim must be correct because the negative view negates itself? What?) and come to a conclusion. This results in you not knowing what you are coming to a conclusion about in the first place, and fucking up the conclusion anyway because you use bad logic.

Once again, you are stupid.

[splat]

@13 It obviously dosent make you that smart if it takes 3 people including you to make a point across one idiot.

@splat Every scientist in the world does not agree that every star we see at night are not, keyword all
suns. It takes energy to hold molecules in place just as it takes energy to hold anything in place. I couldn't find any evidence of cold being a lack of energy so once again that would make you wrong about it.

@eff I never felt the need to be threated by someones own research to call them a brainwashed sheep. You have to question more than just the teacher in order to learn & not rely on one witness in order to understand things. I'm only ignorant by your definition that dosent regard my everyday life sense you can't grasp on what I know & don't know which makes you ignorant of me because you dont know who I am.

Took me 20 seconds.

Since temperature relates to the thermal energy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermal_energy) held by an object or a sample of matter, which is the kinetic energy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinetic_energy) of the random motion of the particle constituents of matter, an object will have less thermal energy when it is colder and more when it is hotter. If it were possible to cool a system to absolute zero, all motion of the particles in a sample of matter would cease and they would be at complete rest in this classical sense. The object would be described as having zero thermal energy. Microscopically in the description of quantum mechanics, however, matter still has zero-point energy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero-point_energy) even at absolute zero, because of the uncertainty principle (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncertainty_principle).

Wikipedia entry on cold. If, by some retardation, you suddenly have a dislike for a source better than yours, but still admittedly Wikipedia, look it the fuck up.

You are stupid.

[Mudofale]

Nice work Mudo but I already said before I don't disagree that planets don't give out light & stars do. Every scientist in the world are not 100% correct nor is science itself 100% correct. There's some things that science can prove & can't. For instance science can't prevent the sun from getting closer to earth nor prevent a solar flare to happen nor pretty much save humanity from destruction. I understand your faith & devotion for the religion with early scientist we had over the centuries that created things that became an advantage & disadvantage to modern life as we know it but I don't see it further progressing toward a positive solution to help make the world "a better place."
So now you are blaming science for the world being the way it is? Scientist are forced to create ways that will help bring peace, but the only way mankind knows how to generate peace is by killing each other until the "more peaceful" person stands and can tell everyone else how to go about their lives. If we lived in a world without wars or religion, we would be eions a head of where we currently are. Why is that? You know how much time scienstist devote to create new weapons, energy sources, and modifiying current grade weapons just to give their country an advantage to live another day? It would blow your mind. Actually there was a news article that I read a few weeks ago about a boy in india who solved a puzzle from newton. The part that blew me away was when the article said "With these aerodynamic's the military can start to work on landing shells and mortars more effectly with this equation."

As for the point of what science can and can not do, im not even going to bother explaining to you what extent science can and can not do simply because you of all people in this world do not know a single thing about science, nor will you ever be able to make a judgement call on what science and can not do simply because you fail to grasp such basic concepts, that if someone actually sat down and explained why you were wrong, in full detail, sources and all, and even recorded and experiment of why you were wrong, you would still say "This is still possible because...." and why is that? Because, and yes I am insulting you, you are a brain dead moron who will NEVER EVER be able to tell the difference between a fact and a theory. Why is that? Because you are so hung up on the world being all wrong full of lies and slander, that you for some crazy reason can not just accept a fact when it is actually a fact.

So I implore you, go and find a reason that we are wrong, THAT IS A SOLID REASON AND NOT SOME BULL SHIT YOU MADE UP. And we will commend you on it.



To say science helps us discover the "truth" is kinda critical since it has more of a reputation for lies & crafting.
Those are words from a complete and utter idiot. If you can not base your pretences on science, what are you going to base them on? Some bull shit you made up on a note pad one day when you were bored? That sounds ground breaking and just might change the world good sir. I mean honestly, do you believe that things just happen for no reason. And even if you have all the evidence in the world there is something that is not what it appears to be? You lack proof, or any sort of evidence to back your claims, matter a fact I had to MAKE UP evidence just to say you were even remotely correct and that was me going out on a massive limb to pick a pea sized apple for your pity party. If science were lies and crafting (whatever that means, extremely vague as to what kind of crafting) then where do the lies start? And where is the truth? Are you telling me if I can duplicate something, with pin point accuracy then it's still false because it's under the category of science?

I just find it ridiculous that you can not accept that fact that you are wrong, and have no idea what you are talking about. I mean, grow up and accept the fact.

Yes, not every scientist is correct or believes the same thing, that creates FIELDS and DIVERSITY, that is why science advances on a daily basis, because scientist compete to prove themselves right, trail and error until the very end. It creates the greatest and most advance things because they were nit picked until they were of the highest quality.

[1313Jr.1313]

lol, you couldn't have looked at evidence for both sides because evidence of god does not exist. one can only have faith that god exists (as i do), but you have to understand that there is no hard evidence of such a thing. then again, there's no proof that he doesn't (or i probably wouldn't believe what i do). stop saying you looked at both sides if there is only one side.

[effingbillgates]

lol, you couldn't have looked at evidence for both sides because evidence of god does not exist. one can only have faith that god exists (as i do), but you have to understand that there is no hard evidence of such a thing. then again, there's no proof that he doesn't (or i probably wouldn't believe what i do). stop saying you looked at both sides if there is only one side.

This is why it's absolutely absurd that anyone can claim to have authority on the basis of their religious belief. If there's no evidence it's the same as saying "I can fly just by flapping my arms, but I'm not going to prove it to you". You'd say "Go away until you can prove you can fly; until then stop wasting my time, please."

If people who believe in God want their subject to be considered seriously in a debate that has NOTHING TO DO WITH GOD (it's ridiculous that he keeps cropping up in discussions about science), then it's their responsibility to provide evidence that's relevant, rather than constantly demand everyone share their faith. If it was always Father Christmas and the tooth fairy barging in rather than God, everyone would appreciate much more easily that blind faith is a childish thing.

[1313Jr.1313]

This is why it's absolutely absurd that anyone can claim to have authority on the basis of their religious belief. If there's no evidence it's the same as saying "I can fly just by flapping my arms, but I'm not going to prove it to you". You'd say "Go away until you can prove you can fly; until then stop wasting my time, please."If people who believe in God want their subject to be considered seriously in a debate that has NOTHING TO DO WITH GOD (it's ridiculous that he keeps cropping up in discussions about science), then it's their responsibility to provide evidence that's relevant, rather than constantly demand everyone share their faith. If it was always Father Christmas and the tooth fairy barging in rather than God, everyone would appreciate much more easily that blind faith is a childish thing.exactly, i'm not forcing my views on other people and i understand that my belief in god has not only no bearing on anything, but is completely unprovable and shouldn't even be considered as evidence for anything.

[gemiwine]

Took me 20 seconds.

Since temperature relates to the thermal energy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermal_energy) held by an object or a sample of matter, which is the kinetic energy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinetic_energy) of the random motion of the particle constituents of matter, an object will have less thermal energy when it is colder and more when it is hotter. If it were possible to cool a system to absolute zero, all motion of the particles in a sample of matter would cease and they would be at complete rest in this classical sense. The object would be described as having zero thermal energy. Microscopically in the description of quantum mechanics, however, matter still has zero-point energy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero-point_energy) even at absolute zero, because of the uncertainty principle (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncertainty_principle).

Wikipedia entry on cold. If, by some retardation, you suddenly have a dislike for a source better than yours, but still admittedly Wikipedia, look it the fuck up.

You are stupid.A lack of energy to heat of course. It dosent say it is a lack of power which is energy period. Cold has the power (energy) to cease things.

[gemiwine]

Not to mention, your method is flawed. You break down the words, which is stupid. You are stupid. You gather evidence which is irrelevant, and then use faulty logic (If two people disagree, the one making the positive claim must be correct because the negative view negates itself? What?) and come to a conclusion. This results in you not knowing what you are coming to a conclusion about in the first place, and fucking up the conclusion anyway because you use bad logic.

Once again, you are stupid. Really? Its stupid to understand the definitions of conjunctional words by breaking them down since they are put together? You mean the same source of evidence like youtube & other blog sites including wikipedia that you used as well is irrelevant? Its hard to come to a conclusion if I'm being trolled by instigators like you who can't get their point across about me in the first place by saying "your stupid" as a failed method that just proves your hatred about me that has nothing to do with the subject at hand.

[gemiwine]

So now you are blaming science for the world being the way it is? Scientist are forced to create ways that will help bring peace, but the only way mankind knows how to generate peace is by killing each other until the "more peaceful" person stands and can tell everyone else how to go about their lives. If we lived in a world without wars or religion, we would be eions a head of where we currently are. Why is that? You know how much time scienstist devote to create new weapons, energy sources, and modifiying current grade weapons just to give their country an advantage to live another day? It would blow your mind. Actually there was a news article that I read a few weeks ago about a boy in india who solved a puzzle from newton. The part that blew me away was when the article said "With these aerodynamic's the military can start to work on landing shells and mortars more effectly with this equation."

As for the point of what science can and can not do, im not even going to bother explaining to you what extent science can and can not do simply because you of all people in this world do not know a single thing about science, nor will you ever be able to make a judgement call on what science and can not do simply because you fail to grasp such basic concepts, that if someone actually sat down and explained why you were wrong, in full detail, sources and all, and even recorded and experiment of why you were wrong, you would still say "This is still possible because...." and why is that? Because, and yes I am insulting you, you are a brain dead moron who will NEVER EVER be able to tell the difference between a fact and a theory. Why is that? Because you are so hung up on the world being all wrong full of lies and slander, that you for some crazy reason can not just accept a fact when it is actually a fact.

So I implore you, go and find a reason that we are wrong, THAT IS A SOLID REASON AND NOT SOME BULL SHIT YOU MADE UP. And we will commend you on it.



Those are words from a complete and utter idiot. If you can not base your pretences on science, what are you going to base them on? Some bull shit you made up on a note pad one day when you were bored? That sounds ground breaking and just might change the world good sir. I mean honestly, do you believe that things just happen for no reason. And even if you have all the evidence in the world there is something that is not what it appears to be? You lack proof, or any sort of evidence to back your claims, matter a fact I had to MAKE UP evidence just to say you were even remotely correct and that was me going out on a massive limb to pick a pea sized apple for your pity party. If science were lies and crafting (whatever that means, extremely vague as to what kind of crafting) then where do the lies start? And where is the truth? Are you telling me if I can duplicate something, with pin point accuracy then it's still false because it's under the category of science?

I just find it ridiculous that you can not accept that fact that you are wrong, and have no idea what you are talking about. I mean, grow up and accept the fact.

Yes, not every scientist is correct or believes the same thing, that creates FIELDS and DIVERSITY, that is why science advances on a daily basis, because scientist compete to prove themselves right, trail and error until the very end. It creates the greatest and most advance things because they were nit picked until they were of the highest quality. Since religion is to blame for everything then why not include science since they both to hand & hand. Peace is deception among citizens who are not aware of the real intentions for war which is to invade other countries for natural resorces to trade which is why most of everything here that we have are manufactured by other countries by slaves. to be shipped here. War is based on deception to lure people into sacrificing their lives for nothing that benefits them except the commander-in-chief. It wouldn't blow my mind at all to know that weapons are always becoming advance every year yet it dosent give them the advantage since wars are not won by firepower alone. Religion & wars will never create a better nation to improve our society as human beings.

I'm brain dead because you think I'm the only one (which I'm not) that sees science as a failure to improve our society that has no branch of real truths? I don't know anything about science because I criticised its hypocrisy? So I should just accept that the world is good we shall bring peace won day & will live happily ever after thanks to science since its the truth to everything about life? Until I understand that being a fact then I shall no longer be brain dead anymore correct? What do you mean find a reason why "we" are wrong? Who's we? Why don't you find something you falsly claimed I "made up"

I can point out one of the lies in science. Meds. They don't cure you nor help you nor are they created to treat any symptom or condition which in the end will kill you. The truth is you don't need artificial treatment for a natural disease or condition that can naturally be rid of.

Science may have answers to some things but not all. You make it seem like science has always been a good girl who never cheated out of deviousness. What am I wrong about exactly? What makes you think your right about everything?

[gemiwine]

What you're really saying there is that you look at two options and pick the one that makes most sense to you.

I'm not going to say anything about why you personally are tending to pick an easy option over another more difficult one, because it's not relevant.

But you should know that everyone goes through the process of analysing things, not just you. You have this idea that people who think that suns are not the same as planets, and that Darwin made some very worthwhile observations, have not had this same personal process, and that they have simply accepted something that was fed to them in childhood before they were thinking. Your interpretation that everyone apart from you is simply following indoctrinations is very rude and wrong, gemiwine. Wrong.

I never said people who are apart from me are following indoctrinations. I'm not going to insult you like everyone else does me whenever someone is in disagreement or apart from me. I just encourage people to research & not take a persons word for it, not even mine which I have been doing from the jump but instead got trolled with insults & false claims that fail to be addressed.

[Mudofale]

Since religion is to blame for everything then why not include science since they both to hand & hand. Peace is deception among citizens who are not aware of the real intentions for war which is to invade other countries for natural resorces to trade which is why most of everything here that we have are manufactured by other countries by slaves. to be shipped here. War is based on deception to lure people into sacrificing their lives for nothing that benefits them except the commander-in-chief. It wouldn't blow my mind at all to know that weapons are always becoming advance every year yet it dosent give them the advantage since wars are not won by firepower alone. Religion & wars will never create a better nation to improve our society as human beings.
Your stupidity is actually giving me a migrain, can you for one second, just one moment of your time think about something outside of a small 1x1 box? I mean come the fuck on, no one can be this dense... War is deception? Really? War is a endless cycle man created to get what they want, that is why people fight each other for respect, that is why people fight each other for money, etc etc... Science suffers for that exact reason, so does diplomacy, because people want the quick and easy way out. Blow them up, and then we can make peace because we are better then you. Religion has nothing to do with science, so please stop trying to group war, religion, and science together. War is a side effect of religion, and science is the bolster of wars.

Not to mention you are straying off topic for whatever reason... My guess, you realized you were wrong.




I'm brain dead because you think I'm the only one (which I'm not) that sees science as a failure to improve our society that has no branch of real truths? I don't know anything about science because I criticised its hypocrisy? So I should just accept that the world is good we shall bring peace won day & will live happily ever after thanks to science since its the truth to everything about life? Until I understand that being a fact then I shall no longer be brain dead anymore correct? What do you mean find a reason why "we" are wrong? Who's we? Why don't you find something you falsly claimed I "made up"

I can point out one of the lies in science. Meds. They don't cure you nor help you nor are they created to treat any symptom or condition which in the end will kill you. The truth is you don't need artificial treatment for a natural disease or condition that can naturally be rid of.

Science may have answers to some things but not all. You make it seem like science has always been a good girl who never cheated out of deviousness. What am I wrong about exactly? What makes you think your right about everything?
As for this jumble of utter bull shit


The Chevron symbol is a cube which is Saturn the Roman God of agriculture from the hexagram symbol is it not?

Your exact words, not mine. You jumped from Cube (made up cube at that) to a hexagram... It was two arrows facing down, the military uses the same thing for ranking... They do no form a square UNLESS you draw lines on the top to create a cube. Simple as that, you drawing invisible lines that do not exist, in other words MAKING SHIT UP.
Ill use wikipedia to back me up
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saturn_%28mythology%29 - Roman god of Agriculture
http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTjxQg4L5lYlA5AxSBTKq5MxMUPiPdrN JJUmjbQRpE5SbSW7bogICg59QUmUw - Chevron Symbol


I never mentioned anything about the world ending. The symbol is a cube that represents their God Saturn whom they worship. If you think different I like to hear your take on why you think its untrue.
Once again, your words, not mine.
Shall I go on, or have you had enough yet?


Stars are planets or heavenly bodies. So if extraterrestrials are outside the limits of the earth. There's no question that they are celestial beings or fallen angels since fallen angels are also demons or daemons which are defined as of a divine nature often discovered through divination, makes them celestial, seraphic or angelic.

On second thought, this is actually pretty damn entertaining to do. The question was, from splat and he said...


No. Celestial is "of the stars", not "of another planet". Also, since we would be aliens to the aliens, doesn't that make us automatically celestial since WE are also in space?

You completely ignored his question, then made up some random connections that did not even correlate to one another, for one thing.... An alien, is only seen as "futuristic" or "Angelic" in this case, because they are more advanced then we are, if I traveled to the 1300's, and took my phone with me. They would either call me a witch, or a god and most likely start a "MudOfAle" religion.


Our bodies are made from the dust of the earth even though the earth itself came from the heavens. Humans are not from the heavens no matter how much you want to believe we are gods.

Taking things more literal then they are intended in this one here, according to you, if I take a pile of dust or dirt, place it in a room and leave it there, in 8-9 months a baby will be there instead of the pile of dirt. Correct me if im wrong, but doing so would be correcting yourself and in doing so proving yourself wrong.

Thats enough for now.

[splat]

Really? Its stupid to understand the definitions of conjunctional words by breaking them down since they are put together? You mean the same source of evidence like youtube & other blog sites including wikipedia that you used as well is irrelevant? Its hard to come to a conclusion if I'm being trolled by instigators like you who can't get their point across about me in the first place by saying "your stupid" as a failed method that just proves your hatred about me that has nothing to do with the subject at hand.

Yes, it is. I can do that with almost anything. Here's proof, by using your poor system of words and symbols. Mexicans are angels controlling the jews to collect gold and cash for God.

My proof? Mexicans are sometimes called Beaners. Beaner is clearly a reduction or westernization of the word "binah", which is a fruit on the tree of life in the jewish mystic tradition of Kabbalah. Binah is the symbol of wisdom or reasoning, which means that mexicans, or "binahs", have a plan. Binah is also associated with green, the color of money. Since Kabbalah is a jewish tradition, this means that "binahs" have a plan for jews involving money. Many biblical sources cite monetary values, which I will also use as proof and not an irrelevant coincidence.

See? By bastardizing the process of defining words, by doing so poorly, and by utilizing poor logic to come to a conclusion, I have come out with an outlandish claim. Once again, THIS IS YOU. YOU DO THIS. YOUR LOGIC AND METHODS ARE AS BAD AS THAT SHOWN ABOVE. IT IS THE SAME. I USED YOUR PROCESS. YOUR PROCESS RESULTS IN SIMILAR THINGS.

Also, as for cold, yes it does.

temperature relates to the thermal energy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermal_energy) held by an object or a sample of matter, which is the kinetic energy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinetic_energy) of the random motion of the particle constituents of matter, an object will have less thermal energy when it is colder and more when it is hotter. If it were possible to cool a system to absolute zero, all motion of the particles in a sample of matter would cease and they would be at complete rest in this classical sense. The object would be described as having zero thermal energy. Microscopically in the description of quantum mechanics, however, matter still haszero-point energy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero-point_energy) even at absolute zero, because of the uncertainty principle (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncertainty_principle).

If it were possible to cool a system to absolute zero, all motion of the particles in a sample of matter would cease

all motion of the particles in a sample of matter would cease

all motion of the particles

all motion

Separated 4-chan style to get the point across. Heat is just friction caused by atoms bouncing around. No heat means no energy.

[gemiwine]

Your stupidity is actually giving me a migrain, can you for one second, just one moment of your time think about something outside of a small 1x1 box? I mean come the fuck on, no one can be this dense... War is deception? Really? War is a endless cycle man created to get what they want, that is why people fight each other for respect, that is why people fight each other for money, etc etc... Science suffers for that exact reason, so does diplomacy, because people want the quick and easy way out. Blow them up, and then we can make peace because we are better then you. Religion has nothing to do with science, so please stop trying to group war, religion, and science together. War is a side effect of religion, and science is the bolster of wars.

Not to mention you are straying off topic for whatever reason... My guess, you realized you were wrong.



As for this jumble of utter bull shit



Your exact words, not mine. You jumped from Cube (made up cube at that) to a hexagram... It was two arrows facing down, the military uses the same thing for ranking... They do no form a square UNLESS you draw lines on the top to create a cube. Simple as that, you drawing invisible lines that do not exist, in other words MAKING SHIT UP.
Ill use wikipedia to back me up
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saturn_%28mythology%29 - Roman god of Agriculture
http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTjxQg4L5lYlA5AxSBTKq5MxMUPiPdrN JJUmjbQRpE5SbSW7bogICg59QUmUw - Chevron Symbol


Once again, your words, not mine.
Shall I go on, or have you had enough yet?



On second thought, this is actually pretty damn entertaining to do. The question was, from splat and he said...



You completely ignored his question, then made up some random connections that did not even correlate to one another, for one thing.... An alien, is only seen as "futuristic" or "Angelic" in this case, because they are more advanced then we are, if I traveled to the 1300's, and took my phone with me. They would either call me a witch, or a god and most likely start a "MudOfAle" religion.



Taking things more literal then they are intended in this one here, according to you, if I take a pile of dust or dirt, place it in a room and leave it there, in 8-9 months a baby will be there instead of the pile of dirt. Correct me if im wrong, but doing so would be correcting yourself and in doing so proving yourself wrong.

Thats enough for now. Yes all warfare is based on deception. You should read Sun Tzu "the art of war" War is just a way to invade lands for natural resources for trade since they all work together & use peace as a front to the real story. This is why many gullible people die for nothing in the battlefield for false cause like "freedom" & "peace" which in the end is not granted to them. Religion & science both deal with disovering facts & truths through observations, experimentations, rituals, obervances & procedures. Science creates the weapons & religion creates the reason for it.

Yea call it bullshit which is all you can say rather than address what is bullshit about it.

The cheveron symbol is actually a hexagon but it can easily be drawn into a hexagram by adding the 6 triangles. So what am I making up now again?

I admit that stars are suns & planets are not sun. Feel better now?

I assume you believe an alien is an advance human. They don't come from another planet that's why their celestial beings aka angelic. We're not in space but on earth where humans can't survive in space which I why we're not celestial.

The first humans were created by the dust of the earth then reproduced through fertilazation, so babies don't hatch from dirt nor from the ground.

[1313Jr.1313]

Yea call it bullshit which is all you can say rather than address what is bullshit about it

that would be you

[Mudofale]

Yes all warfare is based on deception. You should read Sun Tzu "the art of war" War is just a way to invade lands for natural resources for trade since they all work together & use peace as a front to the real story. This is why many gullible people die for nothing in the battlefield for false cause like "freedom" & "peace" which in the end is not granted to them. Religion & science both deal with disovering facts & truths through observations, experimentations, rituals, obervances & procedures. Science creates the weapons & religion creates the reason for it.


Yea call it bullshit which is all you can say rather than address what is bullshit about it.

The cheveron symbol is actually a hexagon but it can easily be drawn into a hexagram by adding the 6 triangles. So what am I making up now again?

I admit that stars are suns & planets are not sun. Feel better now?

I assume you believe an alien is an advance human. They don't come from another planet that's why their celestial beings aka angelic. We're not in space but on earth where humans can't survive in space which I why we're not celestial.

The first humans were created by the dust of the earth then reproduced through fertilazation, so babies don't hatch from dirt nor from the ground.

Humans only came from the dirt, IF you believe in the Christian faith.

I do not believe Aliens are humans, but for some reason you keep bringing that up... Humans can not live in a vacuum for the simple reason IT'S A VACUUM. I mean come on.... If you're going to defend yourself, use logic... You keep saying we aren't proving our selves correct, but you aren't even trying to make us believe you.

Like I said, with the chevron symbol. You are drawing invisible lines, and moving things around. I can turn the world "Happiness" into the world "World Domination of the highest Authorities" by adding some words, and moving some letters around. If you are going to discredit. Ever heard of defamation of character? You're calling them satanic because they make money, and you connected invisible lines..

How about this, you come up with some FACTS, not theories, FACTS, say it with me now F-A-C-T-S. With creditable sources that defend you. You keep nit picking small things that aren't even relevant, or factual. I called you out on the roman god of agriculture, what was your defense? Nothing. You were wrong, yet you keep bringing up the Satan to square symbolization. Simply put YOU, WERE, WRONG, and ARE WRONG. I mean... why can you not accept when you are wrong? It's simple, and would save you a hassle of time, maybe you might even learn something new, who knows.

Now for the crux of the matter, what am I calling bull shit and why is it bull shit? I have done that many MANY times, you just skim through post instead of actually reading them...

Aliens- You say they're fallen angels, I say thats bull shit because
1.) Aliens do NOT live in outer space, they live on a planet just like you and me (I doubt you are even from this world thinking the way you think).
2.) Organisms thrive on certain compositions of gas, such as ours. A combination of Co2, No2, O2, and H + other. There are uncountable amounts of planets that have this composition of elements, or similar forms of this composition of elements, that can host life of different magnitudes, because of the simple fact that cells are incredible forms of life. They can change them selves to survive in the strangest, and most impossible places. Dark and cold? They can adapt to the point where they no longer need sun light to carry out their processes. Cold? They retain their resources instead of expelling them along with other fluids.
3.) No two organisms are the same, their are SIMILIAR, organisms, but they are not the same, as in duplicates that being said. An alien WILL NOT be a human being. If it is not from this earth, that does not make it a fallen angel. For one thing, fallen angels only exist in the realm of religion, so stop brining up something with no factual backing, it requires a large amount of blind faith, which I respect, what I do not respect you trying to use it as evidence at every turn of your post.
4.) If a plant was brought to earth, and it was similar to a venus fly trap, but more advanced, would you call it a fallen angel? No, I would call it a extra-terrestial plant, with earth like similarities. I do not know how to explain something so simple because I feel like the harder I try to get it through your head, the faster my message is lost and headed off topic.

Planets and Stars - I called what you said bull shit, and here is why.

1.) A star (or a sun for this matter) have different compositions, a sun is comprised of a large volume of gases and plasma of high calibers. A planet, while having an abundance of gas, is a solid, with a liquid and solid core (mostly solid). See the difference? Solid, Liquid, Gas, Plasma. 4 (or 3) basic elements that exist within our current realm of understanding. I say current realm, because who knows what will be discovered in 1000 years from now, if I said plasma 300 years ago, I would be a laughing stock, now it's just excepted.

If you want to break a planet and a sun down by each characteristic and say they have these in common and say that they must be the same thing, then you aren't proving anything other then that matter exist everywhere, and comes in different forms...


Dirt from the Heavens- Your definition of the heavens... Im not really sure, because all you ever say is "high heavens" or "the heavens above" or something along the heavens being in a place higher then earth, which makes absolutely no sense considering there is no direction in space. For there to be direction there must be gravity, gravity creates down, and from down you have up. Forward always exist because is it the inate direction you travel in. So, if heaven were to exist it would be another dimension, which is very plausible. To this day we do not exactly know what is beyond the 3rd field of vision, who knows. Maybe heaven is on the 4rth, or 5rth, or 100th. We do not have the means to prove it currently, but it is still a possibility. But, for the dirt (we currently come from, and live on) coming from another dimension, or plane of existence breaks the laws of matter. So I am inclined to say, the dirt (in which we come from) is the dirt that was already here. Now, that being said, if I were to go along with your idea of creationism, then we were formed from dirt that the breath of life was breathe into. So that is why we return to the earth when we die, but we do not turn into dust or dirt immediatly when we die, and we have proven that a human body, that has been well preserved, can still hold many characteristic's of a current body if bacteria, and insects are kept away from breaking it down. So what point am I making? We do not always return from once we came. Which follows my other point, every man does no come from dust or dirt. If I were to breathe into dirt to create a son nothing would happen because I do no have the breathe of life. But, if I use what I was given, and by the reproduction, splitting, and copying of cells, then I can create life from an already existing life.
You took it literally, so I took it literally, while at the same time dis-creditting your little bit of information you gave us. Thus, calling your bull shit, utter bull shit, and explaining what I thought was bull shit and saying why it was bull shit, then providing an accurate factual backing to it.


Not all of this information is correct, or accurate, it is just what my knowledge allows me to portray. Feel free to point out what I did wrong, I love learning from my mistakes.

[gemiwine]

Humans only came from the dirt, IF you believe in the Christian faith.

I do not believe Aliens are humans, but for some reason you keep bringing that up... Humans can not live in a vacuum for the simple reason IT'S A VACUUM. I mean come on.... If you're going to defend yourself, use logic... You keep saying we aren't proving our selves correct, but you aren't even trying to make us believe you.

Like I said, with the chevron symbol. You are drawing invisible lines, and moving things around. I can turn the world "Happiness" into the world "World Domination of the highest Authorities" by adding some words, and moving some letters around. If you are going to discredit. Ever heard of defamation of character? You're calling them satanic because they make money, and you connected invisible lines..

How about this, you come up with some FACTS, not theories, FACTS, say it with me now F-A-C-T-S. With creditable sources that defend you. You keep nit picking small things that aren't even relevant, or factual. I called you out on the roman god of agriculture, what was your defense? Nothing. You were wrong, yet you keep bringing up the Satan to square symbolization. Simply put YOU, WERE, WRONG, and ARE WRONG. I mean... why can you not accept when you are wrong? It's simple, and would save you a hassle of time, maybe you might even learn something new, who knows.

Now for the crux of the matter, what am I calling bull shit and why is it bull shit? I have done that many MANY times, you just skim through post instead of actually reading them...

Aliens- You say they're fallen angels, I say thats bull shit because
1.) Aliens do NOT live in outer space, they live on a planet just like you and me (I doubt you are even from this world thinking the way you think).
2.) Organisms thrive on certain compositions of gas, such as ours. A combination of Co2, No2, O2, and H + other. There are uncountable amounts of planets that have this composition of elements, or similar forms of this composition of elements, that can host life of different magnitudes, because of the simple fact that cells are incredible forms of life. They can change them selves to survive in the strangest, and most impossible places. Dark and cold? They can adapt to the point where they no longer need sun light to carry out their processes. Cold? They retain their resources instead of expelling them along with other fluids.
3.) No two organisms are the same, their are SIMILIAR, organisms, but they are not the same, as in duplicates that being said. An alien WILL NOT be a human being. If it is not from this earth, that does not make it a fallen angel. For one thing, fallen angels only exist in the realm of religion, so stop brining up something with no factual backing, it requires a large amount of blind faith, which I respect, what I do not respect you trying to use it as evidence at every turn of your post.
4.) If a plant was brought to earth, and it was similar to a venus fly trap, but more advanced, would you call it a fallen angel? No, I would call it a extra-terrestial plant, with earth like similarities. I do not know how to explain something so simple because I feel like the harder I try to get it through your head, the faster my message is lost and headed off topic.

Planets and Stars - I called what you said bull shit, and here is why.

1.) A star (or a sun for this matter) have different compositions, a sun is comprised of a large volume of gases and plasma of high calibers. A planet, while having an abundance of gas, is a solid, with a liquid and solid core (mostly solid). See the difference? Solid, Liquid, Gas, Plasma. 4 (or 3) basic elements that exist within our current realm of understanding. I say current realm, because who knows what will be discovered in 1000 years from now, if I said plasma 300 years ago, I would be a laughing stock, now it's just excepted.

If you want to break a planet and a sun down by each characteristic and say they have these in common and say that they must be the same thing, then you aren't proving anything other then that matter exist everywhere, and comes in different forms...


Dirt from the Heavens- Your definition of the heavens... Im not really sure, because all you ever say is "high heavens" or "the heavens above" or something along the heavens being in a place higher then earth, which makes absolutely no sense considering there is no direction in space. For there to be direction there must be gravity, gravity creates down, and from down you have up. Forward always exist because is it the inate direction you travel in. So, if heaven were to exist it would be another dimension, which is very plausible. To this day we do not exactly know what is beyond the 3rd field of vision, who knows. Maybe heaven is on the 4rth, or 5rth, or 100th. We do not have the means to prove it currently, but it is still a possibility. But, for the dirt (we currently come from, and live on) coming from another dimension, or plane of existence breaks the laws of matter. So I am inclined to say, the dirt (in which we come from) is the dirt that was already here. Now, that being said, if I were to go along with your idea of creationism, then we were formed from dirt that the breath of life was breathe into. So that is why we return to the earth when we die, but we do not turn into dust or dirt immediatly when we die, and we have proven that a human body, that has been well preserved, can still hold many characteristic's of a current body if bacteria, and insects are kept away from breaking it down. So what point am I making? We do not always return from once we came. Which follows my other point, every man does no come from dust or dirt. If I were to breathe into dirt to create a son nothing would happen because I do no have the breathe of life. But, if I use what I was given, and by the reproduction, splitting, and copying of cells, then I can create life from an already existing life.
You took it literally, so I took it literally, while at the same time dis-creditting your little bit of information you gave us. Thus, calling your bull shit, utter bull shit, and explaining what I thought was bull shit and saying why it was bull shit, then providing an accurate factual backing to it.


Not all of this information is correct, or accurate, it is just what my knowledge allows me to portray. Feel free to point out what I did wrong, I love learning from my mistakes. About the cheveron symbol. I'm not making something up that's been around for ages that originated in the occult. Check out this source that explains it better than I can. http://www.triumphpro.com/star-of-david.htm

I understand you believe like most of the world does that aliens are not fallen angels, just extraterrestrials from another planet which is not true despite what the government tells us. Aliens don't need to survive because their immortal beings that don't require adaption into an environment if they can shapeshift into anything it interacts with. Its the same phase about ghost being dead people which is untrue again. Fallen angels exist & the gov knows this but dosent want to tell the people so they won't scare them which is why they make up these so called facts about them being something else.

All I'm asking from you Mudo is if you can simply respond without the negative ranting & name calling so we can stay a bit on topic about Saturn even though I'm replying also about aliens. Not that I'm offended, it just isn't neccessary since you did it more than once already.

[1313Jr.1313]

when your argument has been ripped apart, you no longer have the right to claim it hasn't or to use it to prove itself (not that the latter works in the first place).

[gemiwine]

when your argument has been ripped apart, you no longer have the right to claim it hasn't or to use it to prove itself (not that the latter works in the first place).The only argument is the disagreement that Saturn is not connected as an ancient occult symbol to the actual planet.

[1313Jr.1313]

no, there are 6 pages of your ass being handed to you. move on to the next irrelevant topic.

[gemiwine]

Ranting dosen't prove anything. Unless you can prove why the ancient symbol is not connected to the planet, then going off about a person rather then the subject is a waste of time.

[splat]

Also, I notice that you never replied to me, when I utterly destroyed you.

[effingbillgates]

Ranting dosen't prove anything. Unless you can prove why the ancient symbol is not connected to the planet, then going off about a person rather then the subject is a waste of time.

You're the one ranting, gemiwine. Everyone else is engaging in a discussion.

[gemiwine]

You're the one ranting, gemiwine. Everyone else is engaging in a discussion.
Everyone else is engaging in name calling.

[gemiwine]

Also, I notice that you never replied to me, when I utterly destroyed you.I just ignored you since we were off topic anyway.

[splat]

I just ignored you since we were off topic anyway.

I responded directly to you, directly to the things you were stating. You're never afraid to go off topic, yet when I make a direct response with cited, documented sources and direct proof that you are absolutely false, suddenly it's off topic and you're the good guy?

Seriously. Please kill yourself. You are an object, and have nothing more to give to the world.

[gemiwine]

I responded directly to you, directly to the things you were stating. You're never afraid to go off topic, yet when I make a direct response with cited, documented sources and direct proof that you are absolutely false, suddenly it's off topic and you're the good guy?

Seriously. Please kill yourself. You are an object, and have nothing more to give to the world.You proved I'm wrong about cold not being energy but before that I ignored your first paragragh which wasn't worth responded at all to.

Also I asked if you could prove why the video about Saturn is false but all you said was "I'm applying Saturn to literally everything" You didn't come up with no facts but rant on with mockery that had nothing to do with anything related to the topic of discussion.

[Mudofale]

About the cheveron symbol. I'm not making something up that's been around for ages that originated in the occult. Check out this source that explains it better than I can.
http://www.triumphpro.com/star-of-david.htm

I understand you believe like most of the world does that aliens are not fallen angels, just extraterrestrials from another planet which is not true despite what the government tells us. Aliens don't need to survive because their immortal beings that don't require adaption into an environment if they can shapeshift into anything it interacts with. Its the same phase about ghost being dead people which is untrue again. Fallen angels exist & the gov knows this but dosent want to tell the people so they won't scare them which is why they make up these so called facts about them being something else.

All I'm asking from you Mudo is if you can simply respond without the negative ranting & name calling so we can stay a bit on topic about Saturn even though I'm replying also about aliens. Not that I'm offended, it just isn't neccessary since you did it more than once already.

Once again a useless link that has nothing to do with Chevron, Squares, or Cubes. My point being? You keep providing irrelevant evidence as your "proof" for me to read. I don't even bother reading them, I just Ctrl + F the words you are claiming the article relates to and if it comes up I read a paragraph before and after it, and generally it turns up with nothing related. Your claim that "Aliens are actually fallen angels" is a bias opinion based loosley on a incomplete, and unreliable source. My evidence is neither here nor there, but it has more validity to it because you can easily proove it without the assistance of the gov't or any department of them... For some reason you have this "The gov't is wrong about everything, they lie about everything, wrong wrong WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG AWOGNAWOGNAWOGNWOG WRONG" thing about them. Why? Did the gov't do something to you to make you feel this way? Did the gov't feed you information that came up false? Is that why you research random information to create your "own" facts? Im rather curious, because no one seems to feel so adamant about proving everything thing the gov't does or has ever done wrong and trying to fine the true "made up" meaning behind it.


I have a better idea, here is how you can prove to me that "Aliens" are actually "Fallen Angels" as you so claim. Provide actual facts that discredit aliens being a physical form instead of a ecto-plasmic being. Or whatever fallen angels are, and I will believe you.

But before you go about doing that, answer this to me. If you travel to the moon, and come back a week later, what are you? A human, or a fallen angel? Unless you claim that short distance space travel is impossible, then I have lost all hope.

[Mudofale]

You proved I'm wrong about cold not being energy but before that I ignored your first paragragh which wasn't worth responded at all to.

Also I asked if you could prove why the video about Saturn is false but all you said was "I'm applying Saturn to literally everything" You didn't come up with no facts but rant on with mockery that had nothing to do with anything related to the topic of discussion.

He said it once, he doesn't have to prove you wrong. If someone claims you are incorrect it is YOUR job to prove that what you are saying is factual, other wise the argument turns into a useless debate such as this thread. Simply prove your facts about Angels, Demons, Deamons, Satan, Santa, Cults, Chevron, Suns, Stars, Planets, Aliens, and we will believe you. But yet for some reason you expect us to provide detailed outlined information that proves you wrong.. If we were in Greece when they were actually a power house of the world, you would be called an idiot and become the laughing stock, why? Because you lack simple logic, and for some reason can not defend your points or make the points even relevant.

[gemiwine]

Once again a useless link that has nothing to do with Chevron, Squares, or Cubes. My point being? You keep providing irrelevant evidence as your "proof" for me to read. I don't even bother reading them, I just Ctrl + F the words you are claiming the article relates to and if it comes up I read a paragraph before and after it, and generally it turns up with nothing related. Your claim that "Aliens are actually fallen angels" is a bias opinion based loosley on a incomplete, and unreliable source. My evidence is neither here nor there, but it has more validity to it because you can easily proove it without the assistance of the gov't or any department of them... For some reason you have this "The gov't is wrong about everything, they lie about everything, wrong wrong WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG AWOGNAWOGNAWOGNWOG WRONG" thing about them. Why? Did the gov't do something to you to make you feel this way? Did the gov't feed you information that came up false? Is that why you research random information to create your "own" facts? Im rather curious, because no one seems to feel so adamant about proving everything thing the gov't does or has ever done wrong and trying to fine the true "made up" meaning behind it.


I have a better idea, here is how you can prove to me that "Aliens" are actually "Fallen Angels" as you so claim. Provide actual facts that discredit aliens being a physical form instead of a ecto-plasmic being. Or whatever fallen angels are, and I will believe you.

But before you go about doing that, answer this to me. If you travel to the moon, and come back a week later, what are you? A human, or a fallen angel? Unless you claim that short distance space travel is impossible, then I have lost all hope. The cheveron logo is a cube that symbolizes Saturn, its that simple. A hexagram symbolizes the black cube of Saturn. The planet Saturn has a hexagon on its north pole which is a 3 Dimensional cube. If you think I'm making all this up just simply gather your evidence & prove me wrong.

Fallen angels can transform themselves into any entity that hides their true identity which humans will never see with the naked eye. The only proof I have is from my personal experience, encountered with aliens through sleep paralysis which scientist still can't explain what it is except assume that "we're seeing things." The truth is the ancients knew exactly what they were & this was apart of the occult practices in the divinations & abductions since scientist discovered that sleep paralysis attributes for the alien abuctions. We're taught that aliens are from another planet but still are not being told the real truth about them which leaves room for open mindness.

Why is it a problem when people criticise the governments power? Why do we have to confirme to everything they feed us in the education system? You think they care enough to look out for your safety by feeding you lies & deception about the world we live in & how life came about by first refuting the bible then coming up with their own bible of science & history that we should accept as truth so people like you can say I'm making up facts & shouldn't talk about the government because I'm an idiot who knows purely nothing from disagreement with what you learned as a child? It must offend you when people talk bad about America & the government.

Fallen angels travel & move at the speed of light on their own without the need of something other than themselves. It dosent make us fallen angels if we have to build something & use it to travel into space with.

[gemiwine]

He said it once, he doesn't have to prove you wrong. If someone claims you are incorrect it is YOUR job to prove that what you are saying is factual, other wise the argument turns into a useless debate such as this thread. Simply prove your facts about Angels, Demons, Deamons, Satan, Santa, Cults, Chevron, Suns, Stars, Planets, Aliens, and we will believe you. But yet for some reason you expect us to provide detailed outlined information that proves you wrong.. If we were in Greece when they were actually a power house of the world, you would be called an idiot and become the laughing stock, why? Because you lack simple logic, and for some reason can not defend your points or make the points even relevant.I did prove to Splat about the original topic at hand but he decided to abnegate the evidence without even looking into it then furthermore went into the ranting & mockery which again didn't prove anything.

[splat]

You proved literally nothing. All you did was explain your method. My mockery was your method. It actually wasn't even a mockery- It was simply your method being used on a different subject. Your method is a mockery of not only basic logic and reason, but of itself.

[gemiwine]

Using facts is no a good method to logic & reasoning? What facts did I make up & what are the facts that I'm I missing that relates to the discussion about saturns cube symbolism that's connected all around the world so we can get it back on topic from the beginning since you didn't prove anything either.

[splat]

The facts you made up are that Chevron has anything to do with Saturn. You connected the dots the same way I connected the dots. How do I know that the dots are connected in the same illogical way? Because I specifically used your method to do it. I used the root of the word "beaner", and I connected the imaginary dots that it was a westernization of Binah, which instantly loads it with meaning. Which would be cool, if your method meant anything. However, since your methods applied to anything else equates to failure, even in your opinion, what makes you think it works for your argument?

[Mudofale]

The cheveron logo is a cube that symbolizes Saturn, its that simple. A hexagram symbolizes the black cube of Saturn. The planet Saturn has a hexagon on its north pole which is a 3 Dimensional cube. If you think I'm making all this up just simply gather your evidence & prove me wrong.
I really wish you would stop calling it a cube...
http://www.giantoil.com/Images/chevron.png
That, is ONLY a cube if you draw lives all over it...
I can turn http://blogs.citypages.com/blotter/bp_logo_color.jpg that into a hexagon if I delete some lines, and add a few. See why you can't call that evidence? Because you can do it with anything...
http://etc.usf.edu/clipart/20500/20594/cube_20594_md.gif
http://www.caftucson.com/images/hexagram.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/99/Hexagon.svg/693px-Hexagon.svg.png
What do those these shaps have in common? They are all basic geometrical figures. What links them? Nothing. Saturn has NOTHING to do with a cube. So why do you keep relating them?
http://wonderinspirit.wordpress.com/2011/02/28/saturn-black-cube-and-judgement-day/
http://www.thetruthbehindthescenes.org/2011/07/24/the-mysterious-black-cube-around-our-sun/

Rather sad I had to do my own research just to figure out what the fuck you are actually talking about. None the less, I still see no connection of any of these things with Cheveron. For one thing, Cheveron came to be before these imagines were even around... So again, drawing lines does no create a conclusion, just random bull shit.


Fallen angels can transform themselves into any entity that hides their true identity which humans will never see with the naked eye. The only proof I have is from my personal experience, encountered with aliens through sleep paralysis which scientist still can't explain what it is except assume that "we're seeing things." The truth is the ancients knew exactly what they were & this was apart of the occult practices in the divinations & abductions since scientist discovered that sleep paralysis attributes for the alien abuctions. We're taught that aliens are from another planet but still are not being told the real truth about them which leaves room for open mindness.


Why is it a problem when people criticise the governments power? Why do we have to confirme to everything they feed us in the education system? You think they care enough to look out for your safety by feeding you lies & deception about the world we live in & how life came about by first refuting the bible then coming up with their own bible of science & history that we should accept as truth so people like you can say I'm making up facts & shouldn't talk about the government because I'm an idiot who knows purely nothing from disagreement with what you learned as a child? It must offend you when people talk bad about America & the government.

Why do I hate when people criticize anything when they are wrong? Simply because they "hate" it off false pretenses.
I hate America, and everything it stands for, I have my own reasons, but they aren't the reason you so choose. Why is that? Your "false" ideas of the govt are simply that, not true. You say everything they do is wrong, or bad, or a secret cover up for something big, when in actuality you're just a paranoid incompetent who makes things up to say that he is smarter then the govt that gave him the facts he is using in the first place.

The gov't refutes "religion" from the schools and education system because they have no factual backing of any sort, and they are so easily manipulated that there are thousands of religions with similar constructs but different morals. Why do they replace it with science? Because science has factual backing to it, you can PROVE science, you can recreate it, you can test it, change it. Why? Because science is the truth and the discovery of it. You can't just make shit up and tell everyone it's true, no one will believe you. Still did not answer any of the questions I asked you, not sure why you just threw a bunch of questions at me. I already told you what I believe and why I believe it, but you keep dodging questions like they're out to kill you. Why is that? Do you feel offended that I keep attacking you? Because you should, I have no reason side with you or agree with you because every time I read what you post it makes me die a little in side because someone can actually be this dumb.
Where do I get my facts? By reading and doing research, not some random middle school book, but physicist notes, Albert Einsteins discoveries and works, thats a massive part of physics, understanding and applying. You, would not make it in any scientific field because you lack both.


Fallen angels can transform themselves into any entity that hides their true identity which humans will never see with the naked eye. The only proof I have is from my personal experience, encountered with aliens through sleep paralysis which scientist still can't explain what it is except assume that "we're seeing things." The truth is the ancients knew exactly what they were & this was apart of the occult practices in the divinations & abductions since scientist discovered that sleep paralysis attributes for the alien abuctions. We're taught that aliens are from another planet but still are not being told the real truth about them which leaves room for open mindness.

Fallen angels travel & move at the speed of light on their own without the need of something other than themselves. It dosent make us fallen angels if we have to build something & use it to travel into space with.

Okay, now I know you're full of shit. Fallen angels, as you so call it, do no travel at the speed of light. For one thing, NOTHING, other then light particles travel at the speed of light. (Which is inconsistent so that makes it even more irrelevant). The only particle that moves even remotely near the speed of light are neutrinos, and they only travel at 99.9% the speed of light. And these particles are massless, in other words they have no sort of resistance to prevent them from moving at this speed. According to your "theories" if they were to travel at the speed of light they must be photons. So, with that being said, if they are, as you claim, photons, then that would mean they can not change forms because they can not change their mass. Under? You can not turn a rock into a marshmallow, then turn it into a subatomic particle and travel across space, then turn into a person and hold a conversation with someone, that makes no sense at all. Only way this would occur is if a chemical reaction occurred that caused a change in mass, and that would require them having a mass. See my point? It makes no sense... Not to mention you are basing your facts off of religion, once again. Religion can not be used as a defense because of the fact that it is so loosely based that anything can be used from it to explain something.

Fallen angels do not exist, because they can take the form of anything they so choose, also they can travel at the speed of light. This means they can also leave the plane of existence, in other words, making themselves not real.


I am a Fallen Angel, I have taken the form of a human being. I travel to universes far away just to make sure no other life outside of this planet has the ability to travel across the galaxy.

[splat]

I really wish you would stop calling it a cube...
http://www.giantoil.com/Images/chevron.png
That, is ONLY a cube if you draw lives all over it...
I can turn http://blogs.citypages.com/blotter/bp_logo_color.jpg that into a hexagon if I delete some lines, and add a few. See why you can't call that evidence? Because you can do it with anything...
http://etc.usf.edu/clipart/20500/20594/cube_20594_md.gif
http://www.caftucson.com/images/hexagram.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/99/Hexagon.svg/693px-Hexagon.svg.png
What do those these shaps have in common? They are all basic geometrical figures. What links them? Nothing. Saturn has NOTHING to do with a cube. So why do you keep relating them?
http://wonderinspirit.wordpress.com/2011/02/28/saturn-black-cube-and-judgement-day/
http://www.thetruthbehindthescenes.org/2011/07/24/the-mysterious-black-cube-around-our-sun/

Rather sad I had to do my own research just to figure out what the fuck you are actually talking about. None the less, I still see no connection of any of these things with Cheveron. For one thing, Cheveron came to be before these imagines were even around... So again, drawing lines does no create a conclusion, just random bull shit.





Why do I hate when people criticize anything when they are wrong? Simply because they "hate" it off false pretenses.
I hate America, and everything it stands for, I have my own reasons, but they aren't the reason you so choose. Why is that? Your "false" ideas of the govt are simply that, not true. You say everything they do is wrong, or bad, or a secret cover up for something big, when in actuality you're just a paranoid incompetent who makes things up to say that he is smarter then the govt that gave him the facts he is using in the first place.

The gov't refutes "religion" from the schools and education system because they have no factual backing of any sort, and they are so easily manipulated that there are thousands of religions with similar constructs but different morals. Why do they replace it with science? Because science has factual backing to it, you can PROVE science, you can recreate it, you can test it, change it. Why? Because science is the truth and the discovery of it. You can't just make shit up and tell everyone it's true, no one will believe you. Still did not answer any of the questions I asked you, not sure why you just threw a bunch of questions at me. I already told you what I believe and why I believe it, but you keep dodging questions like they're out to kill you. Why is that? Do you feel offended that I keep attacking you? Because you should, I have no reason side with you or agree with you because every time I read what you post it makes me die a little in side because someone can actually be this dumb.
Where do I get my facts? By reading and doing research, not some random middle school book, but physicist notes, Albert Einsteins discoveries and works, thats a massive part of physics, understanding and applying. You, would not make it in any scientific field because you lack both.




Okay, now I know you're full of shit. Fallen angels, as you so call it, do no travel at the speed of light. For one thing, NOTHING, other then light particles travel at the speed of light. (Which is inconsistent so that makes it even more irrelevant). The only particle that moves even remotely near the speed of light are neutrinos, and they only travel at 99.9% the speed of light. And these particles are massless, in other words they have no sort of resistance to prevent them from moving at this speed. According to your "theories" if they were to travel at the speed of light they must be photons. So, with that being said, if they are, as you claim, photons, then that would mean they can not change forms because they can not change their mass. Under? You can not turn a rock into a marshmallow, then turn it into a subatomic particle and travel across space, then turn into a person and hold a conversation with someone, that makes no sense at all. Only way this would occur is if a chemical reaction occurred that caused a change in mass, and that would require them having a mass. See my point? It makes no sense... Not to mention you are basing your facts off of religion, once again. Religion can not be used as a defense because of the fact that it is so loosely based that anything can be used from it to explain something.

Fallen angels do not exist, because they can take the form of anything they so choose, also they can travel at the speed of light. This means they can also leave the plane of existence, in other words, making themselves not real.


I am a Fallen Angel, I have taken the form of a human being. I travel to universes far away just to make sure no other life outside of this planet has the ability to travel across the galaxy.


Well, most technically, you COULD change one thing to another. Much of Alchemy is based on the concept, and modern physics agrees. Matter is just another form of energy, after all. So you could go from energy packets attached to photons into literally any other chemical. Trouble is, controlling the process. Also, modern technology. We can't do it yet. But it can be done. The big bang did it.

[Mudofale]

Well, most technically, you COULD change one thing to another. Much of Alchemy is based on the concept, and modern physics agrees. Matter is just another form of energy, after all. So you could go from energy packets attached to photons into literally any other chemical. Trouble is, controlling the process. Also, modern technology. We can't do it yet. But it can be done. The big bang did it.

But your talking about massive amounts of energy, hes talking about something the size of a human being doing this with ease, constantly. If someone was giving off that much energy it would be easily spotted, or a noticeable change would happen on earth. Such as a massive power outage, or a massive explosion from no where.

[gemiwine]

I really wish you would stop calling it a cube...
http://www.giantoil.com/Images/chevron.png
That, is ONLY a cube if you draw lives all over it...
I can turn http://blogs.citypages.com/blotter/bp_logo_color.jpg that into a hexagon if I delete some lines, and add a few. See why you can't call that evidence? Because you can do it with anything...
http://etc.usf.edu/clipart/20500/20594/cube_20594_md.gif
http://www.caftucson.com/images/hexagram.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/99/Hexagon.svg/693px-Hexagon.svg.png
What do those these shaps have in common? They are all basic geometrical figures. What links them? Nothing. Saturn has NOTHING to do with a cube. So why do you keep relating them?
http://wonderinspirit.wordpress.com/2011/02/28/saturn-black-cube-and-judgement-day/
http://www.thetruthbehindthescenes.org/2011/07/24/the-mysterious-black-cube-around-our-sun/

Rather sad I had to do my own research just to figure out what the fuck you are actually talking about. None the less, I still see no connection of any of these things with Cheveron. For one thing, Cheveron came to be before these imagines were even around... So again, drawing lines does no create a conclusion, just random bull shit.





Why do I hate when people criticize anything when they are wrong? Simply because they "hate" it off false pretenses.
I hate America, and everything it stands for, I have my own reasons, but they aren't the reason you so choose. Why is that? Your "false" ideas of the govt are simply that, not true. You say everything they do is wrong, or bad, or a secret cover up for something big, when in actuality you're just a paranoid incompetent who makes things up to say that he is smarter then the govt that gave him the facts he is using in the first place.

The gov't refutes "religion" from the schools and education system because they have no factual backing of any sort, and they are so easily manipulated that there are thousands of religions with similar constructs but different morals. Why do they replace it with science? Because science has factual backing to it, you can PROVE science, you can recreate it, you can test it, change it. Why? Because science is the truth and the discovery of it. You can't just make shit up and tell everyone it's true, no one will believe you. Still did not answer any of the questions I asked you, not sure why you just threw a bunch of questions at me. I already told you what I believe and why I believe it, but you keep dodging questions like they're out to kill you. Why is that? Do you feel offended that I keep attacking you? Because you should, I have no reason side with you or agree with you because every time I read what you post it makes me die a little in side because someone can actually be this dumb.
Where do I get my facts? By reading and doing research, not some random middle school book, but physicist notes, Albert Einsteins discoveries and works, thats a massive part of physics, understanding and applying. You, would not make it in any scientific field because you lack both.




Okay, now I know you're full of shit. Fallen angels, as you so call it, do no travel at the speed of light. For one thing, NOTHING, other then light particles travel at the speed of light. (Which is inconsistent so that makes it even more irrelevant). The only particle that moves even remotely near the speed of light are neutrinos, and they only travel at 99.9% the speed of light. And these particles are massless, in other words they have no sort of resistance to prevent them from moving at this speed. According to your "theories" if they were to travel at the speed of light they must be photons. So, with that being said, if they are, as you claim, photons, then that would mean they can not change forms because they can not change their mass. Under? You can not turn a rock into a marshmallow, then turn it into a subatomic particle and travel across space, then turn into a person and hold a conversation with someone, that makes no sense at all. Only way this would occur is if a chemical reaction occurred that caused a change in mass, and that would require them having a mass. See my point? It makes no sense... Not to mention you are basing your facts off of religion, once again. Religion can not be used as a defense because of the fact that it is so loosely based that anything can be used from it to explain something.

Fallen angels do not exist, because they can take the form of anything they so choose, also they can travel at the speed of light. This means they can also leave the plane of existence, in other words, making themselves not real.


I am a Fallen Angel, I have taken the form of a human being. I travel to universes far away just to make sure no other life outside of this planet has the ability to travel across the galaxy. No. You don't need to draw lines to see it being a cube. Your looking at it in a subconscious view like the average person does when you don't realise its a 3D cube.

Geometry as you know it originated in ancient Babylon & Egypt in the occult which the figures we see today still have an esoteric background that links to sacred symbolism.

So you just gave me a link that you don't agree with, why? Prove how Saturn is not assossiated with the cube? Prove that the Kabah that muslims worship is not Saturn.

I wonder what "false pretense" can you elaborate on that you claim I'm making up about the gov doing that gives me my reasons for them being wrong. I'm not paranoid though I find it disturbing for the gov to mandate healthcare on people just like hitler did. I don't recall any gov not being corrupted unless you can prove otherwise. Hard to believe you hate America yet your defending for them when I say their a bunch of corporate thugs operating in silence while they control us which is something I can't make up since its been that way for centuries.

Science has been around since the beggining of time when it omes to dealing with studying branches of knowledge & understanding. The bible has been used in all history to prove everything that correlates to life, nature, the universe & creation. In the occult they use the bible to support their agendas the same way the gov does to control us by creating laws, rules, principles, standards, commandments that are similar to the teachings in bible so they can play God & munipulate us with indoctrinations in the education system. So believe it or not without the inspiration of the bible you wouldn't have your modern science, history & math because they all were inspired from the bible so they can come up with their own ideas of their own truth & teachings. The only reason we have other books similar to the bible is because they all have been counterfeited from the original bible since the catholics couldn't burn all the bibles & kill all the christians. So what better idea then to create an espionage military to invade other countries to create religions & books to support them so more people can be controlled & manipulated by them. Once again this is not my idea, please do your own research & quit making assumptions that I'm making things up since it dosent sound appealing enough to support your dogma.

Modern science dosen't prove how we were created & came about on earth nor does evolution since its all assumptions based on no mutual evidence.

In sleep paralysis I feel & hear the presense of electromagnetic radiations aka photons that prevent me from moving & can make my body slowly levitate from the bed so most likely since demons are spirits & balls of light (energy) then its no question since we see ufo's move at the speed of light are indeed fallen angels that can form into whatever it interacts with. It was in the form of photons to come bother me in my sleep. All you do is say I'm making everything up that's been proving over & over again in history but the problem is you don't want to accept the truth that divine creatures which are daemons exist in our world that we can't see with the naked eye that have made their marks & traces on earth for centuries that influence the minds of humans to create advance technology which over the centurie taught humans divinations & abstruse knowledge that are way too advance for humans to come up with on their own. The gov knows what these creatures are but they don't want to tell you the truth because if they did they would make everyone panic like zombies. Do your own research before going off on people that you think are making things up.

[splat]

I don't think you know how the subconscious mind works. MAKING the connection would be subconscious. It's the invisible lines your mind would fill in, making you sense a cube without there being one. That said, your premise is still false. It's not a cube, you MADE it a cube.

So? The ancients knew more than we do today on many subjects. What's wrong with the esoteric and mystical? Even your precious Bible is filled with these ancient esoteric concepts. The water God floated above before creation is the Abyss to the Jews, Neith to the Egyptians, and the Energy/Matter threshold for physicists, to name just one example. This isn't me mocking you this time, this is legitimate esoteric study.

Yes, the government is largely controlled by corporations at the expense of the proletariat. But how and why this control exists is what you are wrong about.

No. Science, to some degree, existed well before the bible. Once again, the ancient Egyptians knew a great deal, and made many advances in the Art of Alchemy. Actually, what we consider science had it's earliest roots under Islam, with islamic Alchemy and their rigorous study of chemistry. This was later solidified by Sir Robert Boyle into the scientific method. But rigorous study has always existed. Your book did not start it.

Also, as for the bit about you making shit up- Alright, maybe you don't make some of it up. You just believe bullshit OTHER idiots made up.


What you mean is "Modern science dosen't prove how we were created & came about on earth nor does evolution, but it is based on physical evidence and is the most likely answer to how life physically came to be on the planet."

What? No. Just no.

[Mudofale]

No. You don't need to draw lines to see it being a cube. Your looking at it in a subconscious view like the average person does when you don't realise its a 3D cube.

Geometry as you know it originated in ancient Babylon & Egypt in the occult which the figures we see today still have an esoteric background that links to sacred symbolism.

So you just gave me a link that you don't agree with, why? Prove how Saturn is not assossiated with the cube? Prove that the Kabah that muslims worship is not Saturn.

I wonder what "false pretense" can you elaborate on that you claim I'm making up about the gov doing that gives me my reasons for them being wrong. I'm not paranoid though I find it disturbing for the gov to mandate healthcare on people just like hitler did. I don't recall any gov not being corrupted unless you can prove otherwise. Hard to believe you hate America yet your defending for them when I say their a bunch of corporate thugs operating in silence while they control us which is something I can't make up since its been that way for centuries.

Science has been around since the beggining of time when it omes to dealing with studying branches of knowledge & understanding. The bible has been used in all history to prove everything that correlates to life, nature, the universe & creation. In the occult they use the bible to support their agendas the same way the gov does to control us by creating laws, rules, principles, standards, commandments that are similar to the teachings in bible so they can play God & munipulate us with indoctrinations in the education system. So believe it or not without the inspiration of the bible you wouldn't have your modern science, history & math because they all were inspired from the bible so they can come up with their own ideas of their own truth & teachings. The only reason we have other books similar to the bible is because they all have been counterfeited from the original bible since the catholics couldn't burn all the bibles & kill all the christians. So what better idea then to create an espionage military to invade other countries to create religions & books to support them so more people can be controlled & manipulated by them. Once again this is not my idea, please do your own research & quit making assumptions that I'm making things up since it dosent sound appealing enough to support your dogma.

Modern science dosen't prove how we were created & came about on earth nor does evolution since its all assumptions based on no mutual evidence.

In sleep paralysis I feel & hear the presense of electromagnetic radiations aka photons that prevent me from moving & can make my body slowly levitate from the bed so most likely since demons are spirits & balls of light (energy) then its no question since we see ufo's move at the speed of light are indeed fallen angels that can form into whatever it interacts with. It was in the form of photons to come bother me in my sleep. All you do is say I'm making everything up that's been proving over & over again in history but the problem is you don't want to accept the truth that divine creatures which are daemons exist in our world that we can't see with the naked eye that have made their marks & traces on earth for centuries that influence the minds of humans to create advance technology which over the centurie taught humans divinations & abstruse knowledge that are way too advance for humans to come up with on their own. The gov knows what these creatures are but they don't want to tell you the truth because if they did they would make everyone panic like zombies. Do your own research before going off on people that you think are making things up.

It truely does amaze me that someone can read bits and pieces of a post and then come up with a long post that doesn't answer half the question that were directed at that person. For some reason you keep skipping over the parts that you ask about in your follow up post, not sure why you keep doing that but you do it pretty often.

Your mind draws images that are not there all the time, that is how we do math and solve puzzles. But, that same application does not work the same way when you apply it to a whole image and try and get another image from it. Such as taking a circle and calling it a square because you cut fours sides into it, then connecting that circle or at this point, square, to hop-scotch.
Do people view things differently? Yes, but that doesn't make it a fact, it makes it an opinion. Such as some people say the earth looks like a circle, some same it looks like an ellipse. The earth is an oblong circle, not a perfect circle as people so "say" but that doesn't mean it doesn't look like a perfect circle to some people.

When you bring perception into the equation of trying to solve a problem it generates multiple views, but that doesn't make one view more viable then another view. Simply because you can provide information, factual or theories, to back your claim does not make your claim a valid point. Take for instance Michael Jordan.

Great basket ball player? Most people would say so? The greatest of all time? Matter of opinion, but if I say he was as good as Wilt Chamberlain, then say his shooting average was similar (just making this up). They were both had unique play styles, both were African Americans, both were extremely athletic at young ages, both were tall (again another opinion) then it starts to sound like they were both comparable, but once again these claims were off of the fact of a matter of opinion.

You say the Cheveron symbol is a cube, you are wrong. Simple as that, it is not a cube. Does it look like a cube if you overlay a few lines on top of it? Yes, it does. Simple as that, you perceive it as a cube because your mind automatically places the lines that fill it in. Your mind bases things of what it could be, or possibly could be, similar to an artist. But I see things for what they really are, no mask, no add on's, just the basic structure.


Your claim on science again, based off of what? Science is largely based of theories and ideas people had then solidified it with research and facts. I can say with pride that a granny smith apple has a green pigmentation. Why is that? Because if I take color marks and compare them to that apple I will note that this apple is indeed green. See? That is basic science, observations. I observed that the apple was green, I did an experiment it validate my claim, and the claim was correct, I concluded that the apple was indeed green. Now as for other parts of science, you can not generalize the entire field based off of a few theories. Are you going to say the entire foundation of surgery and the practice of medicine is all false, and actually just a bunch of theories that just so happen to work? No. Simply because two things do not agree with each other does not the other thing wrong, if you can prove that something is indeed wrong go for it, maybe you'll win a Albert Einstein World Award of Science, or a Holberg International Medal for your great discoveries. It would do Einstein a great justice for someone to prove him wrong. Why? Because as a physicist he would love for someone to better mankind by pointing out what mistake he made and bettering the world for it. But, until you start thinking outside of the box instead of thinking outside of the book, you won't get anywhere with your theory crafted ideas.

[splat]

Technically, for your science bit, you're lacking a control group.

[gemiwine]

I don't think you know how the subconscious mind works. MAKING the connection would be subconscious. It's the invisible lines your mind would fill in, making you sense a cube without there being one. That said, your premise is still false. It's not a cube, you MADE it a cube.

So? The ancients knew more than we do today on many subjects. What's wrong with the esoteric and mystical? Even your precious Bible is filled with these ancient esoteric concepts. The water God floated above before creation is the Abyss to the Jews, Neith to the Egyptians, and the Energy/Matter threshold for physicists, to name just one example. This isn't me mocking you this time, this is legitimate esoteric study.

Yes, the government is largely controlled by corporations at the expense of the proletariat. But how and why this control exists is what you are wrong about.

No. Science, to some degree, existed well before the bible. Once again, the ancient Egyptians knew a great deal, and made many advances in the Art of Alchemy. Actually, what we consider science had it's earliest roots under Islam, with islamic Alchemy and their rigorous study of chemistry. This was later solidified by Sir Robert Boyle into the scientific method. But rigorous study has always existed. Your book did not start it.

Also, as for the bit about you making shit up- Alright, maybe you don't make some of it up. You just believe bullshit OTHER idiots made up.


What you mean is "Modern science dosen't prove how we were created & came about on earth nor does evolution, but it is based on physical evidence and is the most likely answer to how life physically came to be on the planet."

What? No. Just no. Making the connection would be conscious meaning "aware of" versus subconscious meaning "unaware of". Most people are aware that its 2 stripes or 2 V-shapes meeting at an angle but are unware that it makes a 3D cube if viewed at a different angle without drawing lines.

The point is that geometrical symbols have occult meanings that pertain to summoning demons to produce curses & black magic which is one of the main causes of sleep paralysis that many wonder how it happens if you have sacred symbols in your home that your unaware of by its real meaning aside from it being just art.

Its called bible mysticism by twisting scriptures to match man's agenda by using the bible as an excuse for certain false practices like slavery for example. It only has ancient esoteric meaning if you make it out to be that way. Its the same way with using elements like fire to either kill people or heal them.

I'm wrong about the reasons how & why the gov uses slaves to build their empires & keeps them under controlled through fear & torture? Explain how I'm wrong about it since this has been going on for centuries.

Science to no degree didn't exist before the bible. The bible is a history book that explains our origins without error unlike science. Its roots come from the occult centuries before the occult religion Islam you mentioned explains today's scientific method before Robert confirmed anything.

No. Your just making up bullshit claims again as usually.

Modern science is based on visual thoughts by people like Darwin & Robert that gives us a guess of how life physically came to be on the planet.

[gemiwine]

It truely does amaze me that someone can read bits and pieces of a post and then come up with a long post that doesn't answer half the question that were directed at that person. For some reason you keep skipping over the parts that you ask about in your follow up post, not sure why you keep doing that but you do it pretty often.

Your mind draws images that are not there all the time, that is how we do math and solve puzzles. But, that same application does not work the same way when you apply it to a whole image and try and get another image from it. Such as taking a circle and calling it a square because you cut fours sides into it, then connecting that circle or at this point, square, to hop-scotch.
Do people view things differently? Yes, but that doesn't make it a fact, it makes it an opinion. Such as some people say the earth looks like a circle, some same it looks like an ellipse. The earth is an oblong circle, not a perfect circle as people so "say" but that doesn't mean it doesn't look like a perfect circle to some people.

When you bring perception into the equation of trying to solve a problem it generates multiple views, but that doesn't make one view more viable then another view. Simply because you can provide information, factual or theories, to back your claim does not make your claim a valid point. Take for instance Michael Jordan.

Great basket ball player? Most people would say so? The greatest of all time? Matter of opinion, but if I say he was as good as Wilt Chamberlain, then say his shooting average was similar (just making this up). They were both had unique play styles, both were African Americans, both were extremely athletic at young ages, both were tall (again another opinion) then it starts to sound like they were both comparable, but once again these claims were off of the fact of a matter of opinion.

You say the Cheveron symbol is a cube, you are wrong. Simple as that, it is not a cube. Does it look like a cube if you overlay a few lines on top of it? Yes, it does. Simple as that, you perceive it as a cube because your mind automatically places the lines that fill it in. Your mind bases things of what it could be, or possibly could be, similar to an artist. But I see things for what they really are, no mask, no add on's, just the basic structure.


Your claim on science again, based off of what? Science is largely based of theories and ideas people had then solidified it with research and facts. I can say with pride that a granny smith apple has a green pigmentation. Why is that? Because if I take color marks and compare them to that apple I will note that this apple is indeed green. See? That is basic science, observations. I observed that the apple was green, I did an experiment it validate my claim, and the claim was correct, I concluded that the apple was indeed green. Now as for other parts of science, you can not generalize the entire field based off of a few theories. Are you going to say the entire foundation of surgery and the practice of medicine is all false, and actually just a bunch of theories that just so happen to work? No. Simply because two things do not agree with each other does not the other thing wrong, if you can prove that something is indeed wrong go for it, maybe you'll win a Albert Einstein World Award of Science, or a Holberg International Medal for your great discoveries. It would do Einstein a great justice for someone to prove him wrong. Why? Because as a physicist he would love for someone to better mankind by pointing out what mistake he made and bettering the world for it. But, until you start thinking outside of the box instead of thinking outside of the book, you won't get anywhere with your theory crafted ideas. Again I didn't have to draw any lines to see it being a cube. This is what you think I'm doing but if you simply look at it from a different angle on the side then you would find out its a cube as well & not just 2 V-shaped lines at an angle. The same way with a hexagon if you look at it in a different angle you'll see its a cube.

Darwin & Robert's theories weren't solidified as facts just assumptions. Its been proven that the majority of surgeries & medicines do not help to prolonge life nor help to aid conditions but in the long run leads to fatal death. The proof is my experience not experimentation. There's plenty of flaws in science that scientist, pharmacist & physicians don't want to expose because it will loose them money since its all based on profiting them & not the patients. Most of what science brings to the table is based off of profiting to make them wealthy & powerful which they have successfully achieved throughout the centuries up to this point thanks to the ignorant & gullible who buy into the creation. A craft is something used by a skilled person to decieve & trick someone. This is what science is & what it does that is yet to better the world with their crafty ideas.

[Mudofale]

Technically, for your science bit, you're lacking a control group.
True, but this was just an example at it's basic level. The stuff you do in 2nd and 3rd grade where you just test and observe.

[Mudofale]

Again I didn't have to draw any lines to see it being a cube. This is what you think I'm doing but if you simply look at it from a different angle on the side then you would find out its a cube as well & not just 2 V-shaped lines at an angle. The same way with a hexagon if you look at it in a different angle you'll see its a cube.

Darwin & Robert's theories weren't solidified as facts just assumptions. Its been proven that the majority of surgeries & medicines do not help to prolonge life nor help to aid conditions but in the long run leads to fatal death. The proof is my experience not experimentation. There's plenty of flaws in science that scientist, pharmacist & physicians don't want to expose because it will loose them money since its all based on profiting them & not the patients. Most of what science brings to the table is based off of profiting to make them wealthy & powerful which they have successfully achieved throughout the centuries up to this point thanks to the ignorant & gullible who buy into the creation. A craft is something used by a skilled person to decieve & trick someone. This is what science is & what it does that is yet to better the world with their crafty ideas.

You said it yourself, it is 2 V's, what is so hard to understand about that? There are no cubes or squares in that picture, it is a two dimensional image. You are viewing it from the third dimension, or the Z axis in this case. A circle is really a sphere in the third dimension, a square is a cube, etc etc. Also, by calling it a cube in the third dimension you are eliminating the entire other side of the object, in other words you are calling anything with two flat facing sides a cube because from another angle the other sides are not visible thus rendering it to a cube like shape. Im not even going to bother arguing that point because it's a lost cause that you wouldn't even agree is correct if someone smacked you across the forehead with it.

As for your idea of science and medicine, let me ask you two questions. Are you on the internet talking to me? Are you alive today? If you answer no to either of these questions then you truely are Satan/Santa.

If you are alive today then science/ medicine obviously works otherwise you would have died as an infant to some sort of disease or infection. Or just died at birth because your parents did not take you to the hospital to be born and you choked on the amniotic fluid.

As for you being on the internet, I assume you are using a computer, another advancement in the field of science. As well as the internet.


I understand how you operate, you see the world as half empty because for some reason you see everything as bad or a cover up, you never see the good in life. Pessimist is the best way to put it. Well sir, the glass is either half empty or half full. But, that depends on who is pouring, or who is receiving. You seem to be on the receiving end, enjoy your cup while it last.